art? >>> what?
by onry, 06.07.04 01:26 am
can someone please explain to me what art is? I don't understand it. NYC? LA? What is this?...
www.riversandtrees.cjb.net
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.07.04 12:06 pm)
Art is the method/s used by man to create a quality of life, or its equivalent mental emotional quality of entertainment of the imagination which deals with human judgements on a fundamental level concerning beauty, truth, reason. Or the opposite of those aesthetics are evident as a matter of art's complex evolution. Man's art is a nature driven mental/emotive faculty, where man would deal with his enviornment, by artifice, immitation, invention, emotional responce, reaction to nature. The feeling for instance that is the result of an experience; the loss of someone or something, the appreciation of the qualities and mental play with emotive, or subject and form.
Re: art? >>> what?
by jackieou (06.07.04 12:21 pm)
c'est moi? Double negations; as soon as they pay me I'll stop; academic: episcapalian...untill they matrix again.
Dodge K car; speed loop....
Submission I can't tell ya what I've found
by all i got was this lousy (06.07.04 12:25 pm)
www.guardian.co.uk/
Re: art? >>> what?
by Coolwater (06.07.04 12:57 pm)
also called visual art a visual object or experience consciously created through an expression of skill or imagination.
The various visual arts exist within a continuum that ranges from purely aesthetic purposes at one end to purely utilitarian purposes at the other. Such a polarity of purpose is reflected in the commonly used terms artist and artisan, the latter understood as one who gives considerable attention to the utilitarian. This should by no means be taken as a rigid scheme, however. Even within one form of art, motives may vary widely; thus a potter or a weaver may create a highly functional work that is at the same time beautiful—a salad bowl, for example, or a blanket—or may create works that have no purpose beyond being admired. In cultures such as Africa and Oceania, a definition of art that encompasses this continuum has existed for centuries. In the West, however, by the mid-18th century the development of academies for painting and sculpture established a sense that these media were “art” and therefore separate from more utilitarian media. This separation of art forms continued among art institutions until the late 20th century, when such rigid distinctions began to be questioned.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.07.04 01:51 pm)
I think art is what done by very clever people, and its a spectrum also from not so clever to the most clever, visual objects and experiences...could you make a utilitarian object that is a work of art? Very rich people will pay little or a lot for it, such depending upon an unknown reason. The more clever you are thought to be the more you might be an artist, or the protracted agreement to the rights of being a jerk. NYC, LA, Italy, France, Tokyo, Canada.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
by all i got was this lousy (06.07.04 01:53 pm)
Hi yall,
For some reason the Ashley Bickerton thread does not seem to be
publishing … yet this topic came up, (don’t get me wrong I thought
it was a great show.. for reasons maybe not reflected in this
review) .. i am specificlay intrested in the most figureative on the
right hand wall first room...
"In Completion, 2002, his own grinning countenance tops cartoon
sperm struggling through soil printed with the names of his former
lovers and encrusted with beer bottles and other tokens of youth;
the bizarre deity in A God, 2004, holds in its eight hands status
symbols of consumer society. In their complexity, Bickerton's
jumbled works are refreshing and daring,"
any ho, like i was saying second hand down on the left .. look familar 2 anyone ?
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.07.04 02:37 pm)
Latest technologies that have become messingers of the art world brought into view a genetically altered to create a morphed body which reproduces progeny that are visual works of art, in performance, and object making of themselves, and propose to have a garage sale where in defiance of the obscene prices paid for bad works of art their own treasure troves sold for $5.00 later to be auctioned off for 5,000. and then resold for 5,999,999. Said the grinning collector who just got the latest in fine art, I wasn't a ware that this clone would reproduce like flies eggs in shit, and carry a new genetically advanced model better than mine?
Re: art? >>> what?
by Coolwater (06.07.04 03:16 pm)
What you should do is what you should do. What something is, should be the thing that you do to create something that isn't.
If you met Picasso your are not a Slave.
If you met Pollach then you are not a Slave or Fool
If you met Diebenkorn then you are not a slave.
You didn't meet anyong but your art work is more important because every collector wants you art in their gallery, and musuem. Other wise you are a slave or the enslaver but it could be that you are not a slave or an enslaver but are free to go.
Re: art? >>> what?
by the less said the better (06.07.04 03:25 pm)
Re: art? >>> what?
by rasputin (06.07.04 04:31 pm)
Chamgane? Or beerin a champagne glass? Piss? reefer?
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.07.04 06:11 pm)
MY: Brush and my mind are one, as my computer and digital photos are me.
Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.07.04 07:17 pm)
eh, art is:
you have people looking
you have people listening
you have people talking
you have people disagreeing
you have people hanging out and on
you have people jealous
you have people bandwaggoning
you have people write
you have people make films
you have people say 'hold it right there... thanx'
well. that's how i'm planning it;)
Re: art? >>> what?
by all i got was this lousy (06.07.04 10:39 pm)
i like transfering things from Analogue to DIgital... i feel like i am doing something worth while. i like the office when no one is here but me late at night.
Re: art? >>> what?
by penelope (06.07.04 11:20 pm)
It does remind me of her...except her eggs are all shriveled by now
Re: art? >>> what?
by jackieou (06.08.04 09:50 am)
this is your art
this is your art on drugs
XXXXname
(man ray sings scar)
Re: art? >>> d'stroies kind of like this—
by thingsthatgo (06.08.04 10:15 am)
and i like this
""""Zak Smith champions every punk kid fervently doodling in the back of class, absorbing the more stimulating parts of the lecture and weaving them in coded form into drawings produced on notebook pages...
Smith's first solo exhibition of acrylic and ink paintings on plastic-coated paper <readying made>
Smith's deft attention to detail and focus on formalism are almost refreshingly reactionary <language manipulation = gap in logic for purposes rendering thought still grasping for what the hell's going on here in language that leads to the following> Inspired by comic-book graphics and scenes from everyday life, He paints like an <historic nostalogic shift> Impressionist living like gutterpunk <uh-ha—yesterday's glossy>.
AFH: What do you like in art? <shit..you just said everything, lemme think>
ZS: Art should look good.
AFH: All right, <ok that tells me nothing—let’s make it mean something>then what doesn’t look good enough?
ZS: Minimalism, conceptual art. If you like a big blue wall, you shouldn't have to go to a gallery to see a big blue wall. If you like a shark, you should go to an aquarium to see a shark. I feel like most of that art exists for people who only allow themselves to think about or look at things when they're in museums - which is pathetic <makes no sense which is or is not pathetic, but it’ll do>
Sometimes it’s just better that art critics get it so wrong .
“There is no bridge between sense and nascence, those who build them are the swimmers, the fishes in the Dead Sea”"""
No sense there!!
Re: art? >>> what?
by all i got was this lousy (06.08.04 10:27 am)
i like the new robust artnet
i <heart> data
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.08.04 10:48 am)
I may agree somewhat with Zac Smith, and champion the kid who is a punk to become an artist if the fundamental desire for that person is doing art, or what would become that. I agree that things in the zoo would remain in thier own habitat better than to serve us, how sad they must be living in captivity, but I don't wish to change that. Nor do I wish to allow artists total freedom to do anything they wish, like. Swinging blood upon spectators, placing bricks in a museum, or a can of 100% artist's Shit. But they run the museum not me. Anti art doesn't wish to be art because...but it becomes that anyway because the punk kid in the back of the class is making alternatives instead of drawing.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.08.04 11:16 am)
One more word about art, why limit the imagination, to the visual, words become art because of imagination, mimes do art in their performances, people do things to display their wit and intelligence as opposed to what is perceived as mass stupidity, or ...something like that. If you define art and make art within the definitions of that definition would it be like a pool with no water comeing in, the art pond would be like a dead stinking lake, only little things can grow there like brine shrimp.
Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.08.04 12:03 pm)
The museum is a cloister, a place away from the ravishing of the everyday that keeps us in the everyday unaware. Of course there is a different everyday, though because we are oft to languish in this are manipulated by the unbridled pulling us apart from the everyday. Zak is probably honest and bridging what and how he can, though—the text is not (even close-on trying).
Let’s get something straight——-
An individual's take, or experience, in the everyday, is art, and is likely interesting. It is a global patchwork at the moment, and like most patches, patches over everything. It's become a universal copy of the everyday, <oopppps> that the article make use of with conflicting platitudes for something that has formal and conceptual allegiances, though denies both, <supperooppps> by gunpoint and aligning with current conservative thought. The text at artnet is ‘hack’ and I hope the gallery is not paying for it. The text employs ‘Bush-in-tone conservative, and devout 'nostalgia’ and for that is far from art journalism ,or reportage, or worthy of publishing as an interview.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.08.04 12:46 pm)
While I don't have as much right as those who are divinely inspired...this post script came to mind that is if I have one to come to...
The ((hic) excuse me) ideology which attempts to surround art cannot be completed because art is not only an idea, or hasn't studied all, (or maybe thats just me) However, it is only trivially true that when an inconsistent premise is allowed in ones thesis, then the truth is trivially true. Such as a lake which has only divine waters (pure, clean, like god intended) then all of the lake is damned when our imagination finds the case. So pure clean waters only as G-d intended is a confabulation a trueism with out practical application, and vulgarity is cut out of our natures being. When exterminating angels come to rid nature of its impurity and it vugarity then nature becomes a confabulation, in the eyes of a Mythical (all be it canonized Myth) being a conceptual abstraction hyperbole of trivial premise and trivial truth.
Re: art? >>> what? We are the goon squad
and we are commin to townn
by all i got was this lousy (06.08.04 02:00 pm)
k, sew where is the line between 'H'igh 'A'rt and llustration
Re: art? >>> what?
by cali forya (06.08.04 06:11 pm)
not much time these days.......still......
high art and illustration......
shouldn't this question be brought around
to the cartoon art question?
Cartoon art such as:
Lisa Yuskasavage
John Currin
David Shrigley
Jean-Michel Basquiat
Kara Walker
The word 'cartoon' is traditional as well as
commercial as well as childish, isn't it?
Preperatory or brief or in humor or all of the above or just one.
Caricature is a form of cartoon as well.
Most art that doesn't exploit the cartoon just
point blank sucks, well, doesn't it?
Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.08.04 08:07 pm)
hi cali
our brief passion of moment was sucked down the plughole.
Re: art? >>> what?
by cali forya (06.08.04 09:36 pm)
ttg-
Aren't you making
cartoons of math problems?
Or is that too much of a stretch?
-cali
Re: art? >>> what? a great comeback and fleeting moment returns
by thingsthatgo (06.09.04 12:39 am)
I like the funnies with the best of them, and cali, you should have figured that I like zaks stuff and the math/size problem and the touch on the domestic, and the touch on the museum, and the touch on impressionism, and the touch on what else, what else, I forget.
Re [the math problem and my cartoon] there is no math problem and if there were—yeah, sure, I would be making a cartoon of it. Also if I were to speak about somebody's work loading it up with a tank full of raspberries wouldn't be doing a favor, unless of course I was intentionally feeding the fool for the feast meaning using language to deride meaning and empty out a load of preconceptions.
Anyway, last night was a long long way away and now I am quite happy to forget language, its poor manipulation—forget it, and move on to the real funny pages were the word and its intended meaning is a little more suitably dressed.
Master of raspberries and other Mother Goose...
by cali forya (06.09.04 01:00 am)
Rhymes!
Lo and behold, the sun has risen during the
night.
It is so. I cannot sleep.
For, now I find you in my thoughts
more than the hours that went before.
I sleep all day and think all night.
It is the closest I come to feeling like I am with you.
What time is it, anyway?
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.09.04 03:00 am)
The differences of art illustration and high art are distinguised like narration. Though what really pushes the limits of human tolerance is someone like Basquit. If you didn't do things the right way someone severe would nail you for that.
Just like the religious become too religious, to show everyone in the world how religious they are so that you can be the slave and they can be the exhalted. The distinction is out to lunch just like those who practice religion with a pastime. Fake thier passion and give a bad act to everyone. For instance when they read the doctrine for upteen, years
and the come onglued when tenents are broken, then they break tenents to show how they are so pious, and how everyone should destroy the tenents. Like a kid who comes to Sunday school and gets her face slapped for swearing, or the man who has a slip of the toungue and these pseudo religious maniac wanna be are out and about polishing thier halos, and strutting their crap.
Our induction into ther presence you must not swear or you will be destroyed. That isn't all the time but the heirarchy will have its slaves, priests, rulers etc.... It on the list of self agrandisements, the religion of what ever.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.09.04 10:35 am)
Fantasy Art is the kind of illustration whose subjects are not in nature, but are of a nurtured world of analogy and dialogue with parallel situations. Dragon, faeries, orks, trols. The art of Alex Ross, Boris Vallejo, Julie Vallejo, are amongst the more famous illustrators of Sci Fi art. The kind of art that may have been inspired by text but also by other artists like Bosh, and Greunwald, which like tastes which run from graphic representation of improbable abstractions, these run from reality with equal resolve.
E.R. Buroughs, Tolkein, Ann Rice, run their world of literature of the Fantastic. They invent their figures, animals and stories, as if they existed for real, as a parallel universe.
The hint of being calandars, book covers, and posters from paintings comes to our eyes for the first time but still familiar...If they are sofa paintings the owners like them as well as they like the down to earth paintings of Van Gogh, or Constible and Turner. And a different aesthetic taste.
Re: art? >>> what?
by all i got was this lousy (06.09.04 10:40 am)
omygod i love that painting!, didnt i see it on a magnette somewhere ! oymygod i love magnette art
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.09.04 10:47 am)
The illustrations range from childrens fictions, Harry Potter, The Tolkein trilogy, to W.R. Burroughs world, of hipsters, and monsters, pushed into an analogous world? Dragons, to Super Model heros, Wolf Rider, and Faeries.
Re: art? >>> what?
by jackieou (06.09.04 11:35 am)
...something about bukowski and a movie in an e-mail from my step mother. I'm a bit bored with her. I ussed to have the reputation as a cleaner; she's nice, but I would flick her out into the atreet for that acura.
Jane Austin America.
Who bought those? People Fiats were too good for; like those guys with the DAtsun b 210s - a real estate pyramid for...a job with the federal government.
G 12
Low -in skee
Jerry Sienfield - kig of the 911s...
actuall, crazy french men stil go for those 911 sc...forest racing....
Re: art? >>> what?
by cali forya (06.09.04 12:56 pm)
What about a study for a client from
which to illustrate how the final,
bigger, painting will look-
isn't it called a 'cartoon'.
If anyone else wants a poem,
I've got a cache of them.
Re: art? >>> what?
by all i got was this lousy (06.09.04 01:00 pm)
oh, poem post.
i poems are as cool as cartoons and 80's music
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.09.04 04:46 pm)
The order of importance
!. Canonized Stories of the bible, and maybe those bible that have come to light after canonizatoin.
2. everything that makes a lot of interest(money)0 Harry Potter, The Ring Trilogy. Dragon Slayer.
00003. Starwars, StarTrek, and Sci Fi Hip designs, like TLX 1138, Metropolis, Fantastic Planet, Fantasia, Farenheit 451, Soylant Green, Blade Runner. (Future Shock) 13 days. Dune,etc.
But I just cannot see any of these highly professional, well done works on my wall, I don't know why, I would rather see a funky paining, or AE, BayFig, Cal Funk, Chi Image, Or even my Garage full of stuff. They just are my Favorite picks. I like the poetic, sexual, sensuous, sensible. Not the gore of mar'z second moon romance. But I haven't seen or read it. I like Pitch Black.
Re: art? >>> what? du's back clockin up the miles
by thingsthatgo (06.09.04 09:11 pm)
MAN Mr. green doesn't like spam much, nor the content up on artforum site, it seems. Look Mr Green, I think one site is good as another. I read you and well you like keeping the pulse, which also could come across as a touch to the side of muscle man — well, so suits some of us.
And Cali
sprinkle so gently the salt to the wound
keep thy heart fresh 'til the full moon.
you're such a sweety.
Can't xplane art
by DuChance (06.09.04 10:57 pm)
but i can tell u a lot about ptg. from Samuel Moses to Delacroix's Sardanapolis to Picasso's Les Demoiselles to Pollock dripping 2 photorealism 2 Saville's unctious slithers in homage 2 bovine lust. n i paint so i can talk about how 2 push the shit around, the pure pleasure of , oil/water based, i DU it all. Like why du Caravaggio, de Kooning and myself never, never du drwg's first. Never. U hear me slut, never!
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.10.04 12:03 am)
That's the problem of the hit and miss of the slap dash school. I do drawings, first, it's less expensive and more rewarding, it isn't so viseral anylonger, and shooting from the hip is a showoffs fancy, the ice was broke and bigger things can happen now. Matisse, Picasso did hundreds of drawings for his important paintings, Matisse said, draw first.
I have done both and find that it is there, is this and that.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.10.04 12:15 am)
When a gunslinger pulls his big shinney gun for the holster as big as a 44 and shoots from the hip, Aiming is like feel, like zen archers have the target in thier mind and don't aim.
Re: art? >>> what?
by all i got was this lousy (06.10.04 12:36 am)
On Hump-Day I get this oral fever.
www.extremerestraints.com/
Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.10.04 04:49 am)
The word Otsu is so multilayer and the way it’s used here it's hard to tell. I’ll take it as a compliment and stand with it as that.
A meaning suggests I'm done for the day OTSu short for Otsukare-sama
So in the context most Japanese would interpret it as 'you are so tired —baby
Another OTSU refers to a royal writer in the 6th century, a poetess of exceptional talent revered for her poems containing multi-layer meaning, which now a lot of hotels are named after to coax the frayed city dwellers away from the pragmatics of life to wash away their worries in onsen— to refresh and regain vigor through the swig of a cold beer over the cut of a brisk breeze.
Yet another meaning oddly enough comes from Otsu-e one of the earliest forms of manga |cartoon|, around the 16th century originating in the town of Otsu.
So, Pen, in light of all that—OTSU to you too — baby
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.10.04 01:20 pm)
I just saw the movie with Tom Cruize, and of all his movies that was one of better interest.
It portrays the time after the civil war 1876 when Japan was struggling to become modern in its ways of war fare and technology, as it was being menaced by the last of the Samuari. I was moved by the virtues portrayed in the film, and have an idea that to wake and perfect what you have set out to do as an inspiration from that film. Do you think the films portrays with accuracy how 19th century japan was? That the Samauri were similar to the American Indians, and thought of as "Savages"? And did the technological advancements, in your opinion, create a more degenerate society? TTG
beat goes on
by all i got was this lousy (06.10.04 06:13 pm)
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Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.10.04 07:29 pm)
Wells, I didn't see the movie, did see kill bill 1, though. And what a hoot that was—for all the wrong reasons. Native Americans and the Japanese must have been trading secrets way way back, and in the absence of industrial know-how makes you think—just what TECHNOLOGY did they use to trade?
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.10.04 08:21 pm)
www.shotokai.com/
www.cnn.com/
Indians and other nomadic warriors used to use their horses as shields, riding sideways and shooting over the saddle.
Pioneers used to use their wagons as shields, circling them and then firing out at the natives.
Ancient Greeks and Roman's used to form shield walls called phalanxes, pointing their spears in rows towards the enemy.
Modernist painters used to create iconic images that defied interpretation.
Modern corporations create seamless corporate identities to present an air of staid permanence to reassure their clientel.
Re: art? >>> what?
by penelope (06.11.04 12:17 am)
They told me it means—>strange—quaint—stylish—chic—spicy—witty— tasty—romantic
what else is there? ;)
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.11.04 01:49 am)
www.degener.com/
www.theblackmoon.com/
Japanese orgies were common in the 19th century then the growth of ubrane values began to take over for reasons known to officials; (work ethics, prosperity, well being of all, just as the royal gaurd of the samurai were being displaced by a less disciplined warrior, one who used machines and machineguns, a syllable the Kirosawa stresses in water mill villages.
Indians have joy and games and liked tobacco. They were spear chucked by manefest destiny. The inevitability of a stronger culture, who were too lazy to be disciplined like old ways. They like to use shields, and arrows, and no one used a rubber untill they were ultimately invented by promiscuous lazy undisciplined and filthy people, Butt they could have been poets, priests, and warriors, and they were all hornyer than other people so they were more ambitious, and industry began with pemican,
tobacco, corn, and peyote.
The Indians made shields out of buffalo hides, but horses came later, as did guns, they were sold into slavery by spaniards, whilst the Utahn's bought them back. Militant Soldiers were vicious rapist murders who would maim, torture, and rape.
For any spirit to haunt ... whateva
by all i got was this lousy (06.11.04 08:50 am)
ever notice what jerks talented people can get away with being ?
Oh, the deeper I spin
Oh, the hunter will sin for your ivory skin
Took a drive in the dirty rain
To a place where the wind calls your name
Under the trees the river laughing at you and me
Hallelujah, heavens white rose
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.11.04 11:56 am)
The Micky Mouse Club (aka momon missionary's) walk a straight and narrow path.
and there is something that reminds me of Foucault's Power, and History. The art world is not the only world where jerks are tolerated. The history of the Institutions, and Canetti's Groups and Power are part of that sort of think. They take care of their own key people. All groups do, police, mechanics, doctors. Sartre too spoke about the power of groups. They have to be part of group, in order to receive the group's protection. And some of the Indians would have rites of passage which braves would endure like being hung by the pectoral muscles of thier chest.
It's just the same
A stupid game
by all i got was this lousy (06.11.04 12:47 pm)
But I don't care if you don't
And I don't feel if you don't
And I don't want it if you don't
And I won't say it
If you won't say it first
Re: art? >>> what?
by stephenlauf (06.11.04 12:58 pm)
"It seems to me that true individualism, by its own definition, is something that can never be "pegged". Moreover, a true individual can certainly understand your explanation/argument, and is even capable of understanding the "whole", but why would a true individual want to "influence" the workings of the whole? The last thing a true individual wants is more true individuals."
—lists1.cac.psu.edu/
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.11.04 06:38 pm)
The process of individuation was a process much talked about with Jungians, The process may have started with Freuds analytical psychology, and we discussed the indivual in groups and the individual as a lone person concerning artists. For great art movements like Fauve, or Der Blau Reiter, Cubism, De Stjil. The individual would take on aspects of strength from the group or would be accepted as leader in the case of Picasso, Matisse, Mondrain, and as other individuals as lessor. While sometimes the individual was too great for the group. Sartre declined the nobel prize for this dislike for groups. In his Les Jeus Sont Fait the foilbles of human frailty are toyed with for no reason. The same happend in the 60s and 70s when in Latin America.
Re: art? >>> a bit of zen for the weekend
by thingsthatgo (06.11.04 09:35 pm)
Ha-ha at every bottleneck, at every point in contradiction—that's where it is; that's where you go!!
My take is an individual doesn't consider them self an individual thus you can have a whole string of individuals acting in a particular time or particular space they knowing they are part of some whole, knowing their roleand freedom to a certain level—like a play really, they don’t bump into each other, unless it is liked that way!
Actors study lines and movement and on the opening night—you have it: actors doing their thing, and—unless the script asks for it, they are not bumping into each other.
I guess the so-called individual, while having a plot doesn’t need the script simply because they are agile enough to think up a script just in time for whatever is meant to happen next (countless possibilities). Regard to the influencing, the saying 'nothing can be influenced', or ‘nothingness can’t be influenced’, or ‘no thing can be influenced’, can be understood simply as ‘you can’t be influenced unless you want to be’, and because you want to be in the theater, or act in some situation the so –called influence of another is more like a doorman, an actor doing their job, opening the door for which you had already made full plans to walk through. A bunch of individuals then might be a bunch of door people opening and shutting their doors for people who have planned to come and go. Because there are plenty of doors around the place, and in crowded areas many doors packed close—though usually not bumping into each other, it makes sense there must be plenty of individuals.
So in the regular daily play most of us are not bumping, or rubbing each other out (well, some of the time), unless the script demands it. Keeping in mind the script is whatever you think it is, and you as the thinker/doer will almost blindly follow. That's why some practice emptying out the bucket of thought every day—dumping the old script, flexing, ready to build the new day.
There is a saying that if you are aware 'and I'll tell you straight, I'm definitely not', then you are fitting in with the whole, while at the same time possess the flexibility to move almost anywhere, first in thought, and because as thought thinks du does, you might say, then in body. You might say it'd get pretty crowded and chaotic, all these free scripted individuals floating about but they are tied to a door,so unless one door can bump into the next one, and they can, everyone is pretty safe. Also, have you ever seen a couple of pro surfers on the same wave! Sometimes it works that you can get this thing going between the three—the wave, one surfer, and the other surfer. Ask a surfer how they feel—like an individual? A door?
Weekend and I'm out—
Hey! And Pen. I think I have to grow into those shoes, thanx, anyway.
You are aware now.
by cali forya (06.11.04 10:34 pm)
(clapping hands)
Bravo. Bravo.
(more hands clapping)
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.12.04 07:32 am)
The problem of indivuals and individuality is that relationship with society, and censorship.
The soul of man being put into question as to whether or not man has one, or the volition to choose (so long as it doesn't hurt or harm someone else) and that relationship would resquire officials who must judge harm to the society. Protagora 415 bc caused himself problems by being outspoken.
About the gods I am not able to know either that they are, or that they are not, or what they are like in shape, the things preventing knowledge being many, such as the obscurity of the subject and that the life of man is short.
While now in modern times this is quite frequently the case.
While laws are against the individual from doing harm, the individual can do what every doesn't harm, which is alot. Freedom of speech is a topic which is of contention, while there are laws against obscenity this censorship comes from ancient manners of behavior of Christian, Buddhist, Judaic Muslim
manners and policy of state and commerce, demands of literature. The Freespeech movement in Berkeley was a challenge to this incroachment on the individual by societal standards.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.12.04 12:40 pm)
The doors that open, into spaces have their various rules where one, two, or three rules or more could cause the expulsion from that space. Such as in a Theater where no one should yell Fire when it is dark and crowded.
In a Gymn, no droping weights, no foul or abusive language, no harrassing of others.
The rules that are most liberal are in the arts, humanities. So space, and time have different rules of censorship, and different spaces have different censors and individuals are selected for that space and time relationship. As well as different groups may attempt to over ride the time space of another, that is when they bumb into one another, the intersections, trysts, and expulsions.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.12.04 02:41 pm)
Concerning the idea of censorship and the trial of Socrates the great champion of freedom of thought, is philosophy subversive, is Art, and if so is a good society free from art and philosophy?
"I would not fear the bad blood of spring the crossed sticks of war, If I were tickled by the rub of love" DT
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.12.04 05:30 pm)
I stopped briefly at the corner of Riesling and Chardonnay. When I bought the house I didn't really think through the rammifications of living on Chardonnay street. Now the name might as well have been written in Farsi, which I don't speak yet.
Is this what God wants? Is this part of God's plan for humanity?
I looked up the block to my house, a two story, two car garage, two pillars embeded on either side of the front door. Symetrical, but not quite. had God designed the house? Probably not.
Later, at a bar I'd never been to, I thought of my wife and kid. We had wanted the kid ever since we saw "Look Who's Talking" at the Cinemaplex. It was as if the seed had allready been planted. Nine months later we had the baby.
When the sequel to "Look Who's Talking" came out - thats "Look Who's Talking 2" if you are in Hollywood Video or Blockbuster - it was clear that our little angel was developmentally disabled. My wife blamed herself and her years of drinking and pot smoking. I blamed God, but I kept it to myself.
At church we asked our pastor who's fault it was and he said there's no telling, but the important thing is that God had a surprise in store for us.
That's where I am now. The surprise. The kid is fifteen and I nothing I've seen counts as a surprise. I mean there were plenty of accidents, but I don't think that's what the pastor meant.
You might say that parenting changes you - and you'd be right - but there are other ways to build character than rearing a retard.
I was telling this to the guy next to me - it was that kind of bar. It wasn't a place that served more than one kind of chardonnay. Not like the bars my wife likes. She's the one who picked the house out.
I explain this and the guy next to me looks over kind of weird and says,
"The Lord works in mysterious ways."
Which makes me feel all shitty allofasudden and it's all I can do to keep from punching him.
Fortunately the jukebox starts up with some Springsteen and I'm distracted enough that I remember what the pastor said - the part about a surprise.
As I leave I leave a scratch in someones Ford F150 and peel out on the gravel like I used to in High School.
The wife meets me at the door and at first I think she's going to chew me out for drinking and driving, but no, she's got something to tell me.
"Destiny is speaking in toungues," she says.
"No shit?" I say.
The next day we go to Borders and ask if they can find us a book on what I now know is scientificly called "echolalia," a word which I am intimately knowledgeable with now.
Over double iced mochas we read our book aloud. People look at us kind of funny but I don't care - my little angel is speaking the word of God on 115 Chardonnay street.
Chardonnay and roses. (UJ3RK5)
by Jareth (06.12.04 10:10 pm)
I've been following this pall o' mine
Through the canyons of wasted time,
Headed for teh setting sun just shy
of twenty-one,
City life just got me dwon
Seems I was an encumbrance on that
Fod forsaken town,
Figured it was just time to start
wandering around.
Ever like a little cloud on high,
i will be a drifter til the day i die.
As to this opinion of the sedentary life
My father once told me,
"When folks can bear the sight
Of a solitary type,
I'll tell you how I came to be
just a ramblin' man
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.13.04 09:32 am)
The little ones reveal no viper in the heart
staring at human imperfections;
let fly a dart.
The lesson they can best teach:
show only they know the heavy target of god's unknown reason, these little masters of inner strength and weak of mind have no world to uninvent.
Sex can give joy and horror, problems and hurdles, the first step in my opinion is: learn how to help the kid be happy.
Re: art? >>> what?
by thingsthatgo (06.13.04 10:19 am)
Wells, on your opinion I rented the movie and you know it wasn't too bad. Shizoka is as is, um, and the paint job on Yokohama was a wee weak—though overall the movie did offer a sense of perfection—messy aren’t it?. For me the best line was something to the effect of you can spend a lifetime looking for the perfect blossom, and it's not a waist if you do, and the line with the blossoms falling at the end approximated here—this is perfect, every one of them. I can live with that.
hey alli feel a little sorry you lost your liver, but it'll grow back much stronger than the name you are wearing at the moment.
here anybody have mine — things for thingsthatgo —for what it's worth. I'm attached to the name, but i can give it up.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.13.04 01:36 pm)
Maslow's psychology.
The search for; if I can excuse the term 'perfection' with Self Actualization, is something that may have been meant.
Maslow has proposed that human motivation can be understood as resulting from a hierarchy of needs. These needs, starting with the most basic physiological demands, progress upward through safety needs, belonging needs, and esteem needs and culminate in self-actualization. Each level directs behaviour toward the need level that is not being adequately met. As lower-level needs are met, the motivation to meet the higher-level needs becomes active. Furthermore, as an individual progresses upward, it becomes progressively more difficult to successfully fulfill the needs of each higher level. For this reason Maslow believed that very few people actually reach the level of self-actualization, and it is a lifelong process for the few who do.
So we are all perhaps not living up to our potential of self-actualization, and the soul may have been excused for the term Self.
So being retarded and teaching the mentally handicapped (a few lessons in terra cotta clay)
and knowing the frailities of humanbeings including myself I know we're limited. If we looked at the idea of how the self works it is awesome, the wasted selves for a political purpose or advantage.
Things that Go; I thought when you spoke of doors I thought of literary allusons, The doors of the mind, I also did a series of doors, called "My Back Door" series, a personal and the idea of impersonal doors has interest.
However I am stuck with my back doors, the place few people in public know about or see.
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.13.04 02:41 pm)
I'm more of a nature nurture and skinner box school.
Hierarchy- its problematic to priviledge and all that jazz.
Speaking of institutional critique -y'all see that NYT mag article on AF? (p 20)
To me its on a level of making art with toast. Where's the idea? Or is "Jackass" art? Yes? Ok, I'm gonna finish my hot dogs and get to work.
sublimate in the self ...
by Jareth (06.13.04 10:41 pm)
ttg. don't cry for AIG argentina, ! making active motions to re-invent right now. the baggage is getting 2 heavy ;)
feelin good going to work it on out.
i am feelin very on the self-actualization path now. ... dude dance till dawn and star fuck till the sun sets !!!
Onion effect
by cali forya (06.13.04 11:40 pm)
yes, but isn't the very problem here the term art? isn't this too general a term to discuss? like Medicine? don't we need to start w/ a particular monument like one of Ingre's swimmingly beautiful Odalesque's, 4getting 4 the moment the declassification of both women and 'Orientals' as deserving of colonial subjugation, or, Picasso's attempts at primitive carving in 1905? and that woman that did those incredible drawings w/ thorns a while back, weird name, will come 2 me tomorow. anyway.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.14.04 03:08 am)
That is for sure the inescapable rub, no canon with out institutional backing. It comes with a package.
The Holy LSD entourage tome of white laid stones in NYC halucinations of ancient indians pirates of the planes and friends of beards, whose sole survival depends on the imagination of an anointed persona of man.
Oh yea Oh yea, White looks so clean and covers well too.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.14.04 03:14 am)
TTG They look scary, like asylum guards, but no white a sign of making an oath to be there in a sterile manner. The doors are too, weird, ordinary as school doors, with out distinction, what of the narrow space between them and the frontal, institutional doors.
Nearly no drama, or comedy, or dehumanizeation, or distinction, slightly so, no theatre, no burlesque. Is it classical, not if no one talks about it a lot. If there isn't the putrid conconction from the liver to the kidneys and the heart and bowels there will be only the apocraphyl.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Jareth (06.14.04 10:00 am)
relax welchy,
if the work is done well and with integrity the right door will just open, ( don't have to go threw it just cuz it is however) there is a real need out there for quality work.
But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams
errr! kusome
by thingsthatgo (06.14.04 12:45 pm)
Medicine (woo)men takes the idea of sickness away via a particularly tuned focus on an individual’s perception of sickness, while medicine instills that you are sick, and that by paying for treatment (Brutalized) will eventually be cured. The only truth is both use the full power of magic—makes u believe. Well done! Du makes a claim that we are all 'sic' sick, which disavows her own belief of sickness, and you guys are paying for it. Now what is more hokey pokey than that? I'll take a rest. Good luck to u guys, especially to those who enjoy the pinch in the chaos of virtual play.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.14.04 02:09 pm)
TTG. It doesn't fail, it doesn't expound anything but what it is, but what it is is profound, if you go through the door, the gardian is there, the conditions for the gardian being there is part of the passport, that is if there are any travelers going through the door. The interior of the door is an interior, its not a religion, nor is it a political party, or cult or particular club. Its presence is historical with hysterics, scars, textures, time. The gardian is vague, no life changing conditions to leave or enter.
The gardian is life changing, forever, when the vehicle passes through there is a permanent change.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.14.04 02:25 pm)
What I am getting at Jareth; ((( is that your name or character (Goblin King loved it, D. Bowey most talented))?) is the art is not yet apparent and quality doesn't have a stamp on it yet. Doors do open and when you go through...or just stay out side the threshold. Its a poetaster of a blog, and the intersections and openings and doors are dead metaphors, maybe even cliched
Dance magic, dance
by Jareth (06.14.04 02:53 pm)
i am big on clichez, very cultural for one thing.
i ran into one of my old proffs. a while back we were talking about what 'can you can point your finger at right now' that is actually 'happening' he seems to think that when it is acually 'happening' very few people can point, (sighted cubism as an example) and maybe just maybe 'recognition' happens with a certain amount of retospect.
I used to have a really bad fear of hieghts till i read that quote about vertago being a subcounsious urge to fall. this weekend i had no prob. with shooting thru the glass floor.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.14.04 07:22 pm)
With the isms out of the way and Po-Mo anemic, it is always the case that few people can understand what is happening. If anything at all, someone is still doing something, and I have studied...So isn't it necessary to have a look or signature at an early age? When you're in the center of the storm it looks different to you than those outside, the bigger show. It isn't a sin to look at another artists life work, everyone should study the masters, it may be one of those expected responses that drive me as it could others.
welchy is happy
by sybil (06.14.04 07:33 pm)
du du not fuck with the impaired?
and welchy du not say nuttin
finally a soul mate
losers on both ends
battle/war?
sound familiar?
Utah Sucks worse than Utahns know
or are capable of comprehending
there's the rub
and the Du
100% hillbilly moonshine
dead horses
indeed
4give moi, welshy
by sybil (06.14.04 10:55 pm)
I'm so pissed I had 2 vent, so I took it out on u. No offense. I actually enjoy your cracker barrel LSD inspired ramblings of irrational pathways. R u an untrained rtist or did u received formal training?
Re: art is only painting as I see it
by scuzbagDuscuzbag (06.14.04 10:57 pm)
the rest can fuk off
this web site is mine only
that's diversity baby!
my way or the
colonoscopy
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.15.04 01:31 am)
Sybil if you are in need of medication, the over the counter St. John's Wart is like Prozac but you should consult a physician first. Especially, about your tendancy to try to murder other people with a ax. Hatchet murders are not welcome in my social circle.
This question is too difficult for us to answer for everyone each must do their own research, decisions, and find their own food, safety, recognition, potential fullfillment.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Coolwater (06.15.04 01:36 am)
Well Stick that Canon!
If it don't get stuck, apocraphal is better these days and it is exciting as Bushido! Bleaeack!!!
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.15.04 12:33 pm)
The essence of Bushido, Yamamoto writes;
to die! In other words if you have a choice between life and death, then always choose death: this is all that you must remember.
The death before dishonor is similar. Yet for an artist there are different ideas, where they are gifted in the production of ideas, and their way of life is to create, and live creatively, to find the basis of thier fullfillment or die trying to do so, to fail to do so is liken to the samuari who dies with out honor. There are also Doctors who live by the oath to cause no harm to anyone.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Coolwater (06.15.04 12:35 pm)
Perhaps Welchy, you are like a Ronin-Geisha.
and my companion.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.15.04 12:39 pm)
You are trying me with the creative use of words, which is to me silly. Only a few people can understand these meanings. If you answer you are correct if someone else answeres differently they are correct.
Geisha I am not Ronin I am not. I have not master, but I was like a Ronin, I have no lord but I was not interested to be the subject of a lord, I go by the way of Wado Ru or Peace.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Coolwater (06.15.04 12:41 pm)
Yamamoto explains there are different clans who believe different ways, and that the geisha is a tool for the pleasure of others, and a woman. :) Yet you say you are not a woman and like to entertain.
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.15.04 12:43 pm)
Entertain is not my purpose and I don't entertain men, and I am not a woman.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Jareth (06.15.04 12:55 pm)
apparently the purpose of the geisha is not to 'entertain' but to inform educate and basicly 'serve' and be often life companions, have to be up on all the news, busness, hot spots (dance serve drinks whateva) and gossip in exchage for huge amounts of cash ...
i am sure this is not factual as i heard this from a trashed 'rice queen' over the weekend ..
sounds like a great deal to me.
ya BP this stuff really is genious
www.azlyrics.com/
What once was Emerald City is now a crystal town
www.azlyrics.com/
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.16.04 12:25 am)
You've got some knowledge of the higher class of women. But a Geisha are one of a professinal class of women in Japan whos occupatoin is to entertain men throught singing, dancing, and providing social companionship. I suppose your concept of dancing is pole dancing, and lap dancing but they are expert in playing games and they take the art of entertaining very seriously, yet for a samurai a geisha is a plaything, the samuari do not get attached. According to Yamamoto, based on the Hagakure, but I think that your limited understanding of entertainment is also part of their repetoir, and they are also expert in the techniques of lovemaking.
Are you talking about Geisha
by cali forya (06.16.04 12:28 am)
or are you talking about the
American ideal of marriage?
Cause, that sound a whole
lot like love American Style.
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.16.04 01:05 pm)
In the world of the near future, who will control women's bodies?
www.readinggroupguides.com/
www.wsu.edu:8000/
According to Arthur Golden's absorbing first novel, the word "geisha" does not mean "prostitute," as Westerners ignorantly assume—it means "artisan" or "artist."
Word up man.
I mena, transhumandystopic miopic biopic. Lets navel gaze, specialize compartmentalize, commodify our decent and then its all just circles of hell. Where do you fit in? I fill some cracks like putty, if you know what I mean.
NYT Sunday Mag had an article on Farenheight 9-11 (movie) and Corporation (movie). Huge topics if I may say so - maybe start a thread.
Niche markets dude.
Baudillaire - gotta read him, no time, what with the oncoming apocalypse and the meaningless details of workaday life. Anyone got a paperclip? I'm a whore for paperclips.
Heres a thing to do - sit and write down all the uses for a paperclip you can think of. You have one minute.
Isn't it creepy when guys write female characters? Or girls write guy characters? It's endearing really - you become hyper aware of the writer - hence the creepy. You get some sex scene and you know its probably a fantasy of the author - not at all detatched, straight from the heart. Its like having a threesome. Call me a prude but sex with strangers is only good in a controlled environment like Abu Gahraib. Keep it scrripted dudes.
Got your list of paperclip utilizations? Good.
Now heres the spoiler (you probably know this anyways):
What couldn't you use a paperclip for.
Example:
Can I write with a paperclip?
Yes of course, and you can even use it to procure blood for ink.
Can I kill with a paperclip? Indeed. At close range.
Can I fish? Hook Yep.
Not to mention:
Hold paper together
Pick a lock
make a blow gun dart
make a chain for crowd controll
caltrops
spring
ruler
compass
use several as letters to spell a message
mark dollar bills with small holes
make braille
trace a curve over and over
eject a disk from a beige g3 macintosh
time's up
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.16.04 01:31 pm)
Paperclips; from a female perspective:
Make a valentine heart
Make a necklace for your valentine
Make an earing
Hold the baby's diaper together
hold all the letters you wrote to sweety together
engagement ring
Re: art? >>> what?
by welchsonnyo (06.16.04 04:40 pm)
Jareth thinks entertainment for women is pole dancing, and lap dancing, low class.
It is prevalent amongst stupid men that women are usless and playthings, that said, what do the women think of them selves and the children they bore for the stupid men. In China women are worthless, I was told by a big fat stupid man, so what can I say to him. You're a big fat stupid man? Women are his better half therefore if women are worthless, and that is the better half then he is worse than worthless, he is a menace or a detriment.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Jareth (06.16.04 07:14 pm)
hey look i can post again !!! dude has this ever happend to anyone else?
now welchy babe wtf? "Jareth thinks entertainment for women is pole dancing,
and lap dancing, low class."
i have to admit they have to chain me to the chair at a ballet
and modren dance plain confuses me ... heard the reall gishas
have a lill special dance and a little special T serves but you got
me !!!
poles and gin are good with me !!!
Re: art? >>> what?
by penelope (06.16.04 07:20 pm)
Once you have sex with them they're no longer strangers. At least that's how it works for me...
Re: art? >>> what?
by Jareth (06.16.04 08:08 pm)
zip. exactly how bored are you.
;)
and Nyc what do you think of it now ?
Re: boredom
by zipthwung (06.16.04 08:17 pm)
www.w3.org/
skillz dude.
Someone was telling me about a class of .com millionaires and how they don't do shit for humanity other than dabble in art.
Where is MY pony?
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.16.04 09:34 pm)
"I, for one, can rest easily knowing that you are watching the news and watching yourselves watch the news, acting as both guardian of journalism's lighted torch of truth and the watchdog guarding against journalism's occasional mistakes. Once more, my hat is off to you, my head bowed, and pate exposed."
mmmm, pate. I am going to cook a truffle for dinner soon. Such is the good life of the bon vivant.
Re: art? >>> what?
by Jareth (06.16.04 10:07 pm)
i am drinking a pom my third today ... maybe 20th this week according to the bottle it is going to make everything just fine....
i also like the formal aspects of the bottle.
especally the way they look when they pile up in the corner... gearing back up...
Re: art? >>> what?
by zipthwung (06.16.04 11:19 pm)
I just had a milkshake.
java
javascript
html
xhtml
xml
dhtml
perl
these are word I have a dim understanding of.
All are codes. Any one of these codes i could use to make art that John F. Simon would envy and covet in that order. I don't think digital art is dead. That's why I've abandoned paintg (just today). I've replaced paint and plaster with the one, and the preceeding zero. I know I'm not the first, but I'll be happy to take the place of all the suckers that quit.
Duchance is a lowly painter, who evidently "hires" "hackers" to do its bidding.
Sounds like Du has a bit of the old digital bug itself!!
I hope we can continue to make digital art together here on TB.
I'll be posting some URLS soon. M ax Herman and McElRoy's of the world...well, I am putting you on notice. Yes, that's right, I am using Artforum as a personal Blog allready, so WTF, I'm a bit of a wiz witht he old computer, and I'm gonna show y'all some stuff.
Re: art? >>> what?
by alienbarbiebaby (06.17.04 10:43 am)
so...they're worming their way through the sports promotion world; this is what they want you to buy:
cgi.ebay.com/