Painting....officialy completed?
by alienbarbiebaby, 11.17.04 10:34 am
All through the sixties they liked to make pronouncements that painting (or the novel ) was dead. Usually, one felt that one was dealing with someone vaguely incompetent who basically couldn't do it and was ussing this argument as a vehicle to shift the focus to some other promotion; one saw it all as a bad sign when criticism seemed to take over in the academic world. They didn't even teach the works anymore, rather critism as the actually subject. Sort of official po-mo; on the other hand, Andy really only made "art" for about 3 years before declaring that he now made films. In the 80's it was "neo-expressionism" (and we have all these German promotions) which is obviously retro right there; some say, always a bad sign (many car watchers find retro cars a bad signe - the firm has simply run out of ideas, or shifted it's focus to a strang form of show car). The fact is, the contemporary art world has by any standards become convoluted, heavily associated with the "entertainment business" while the David Wojnarowicz
experience, a multi teared, group endeavor including launches, etc, a sign that the whole modern/(formal)so-ho thrust had finlay exploded. Dealers moving money (in many ways) still exist, but all the classics are locked up and a lot of people just sip coke along Santa Monica beach or work away on the computer as though elaborate puns and math problems have brought the Phillip K. Dick big screen another step forward. Visage the only hope, and academic art a world of its own (which it actually always was.)
Maybe it's really dead; a new painting an old suicide note? Painting in the air....and vertigo...
Art vs Decoration Decoration vs Art...
by Jareth (11.21.04 07:38 pm)
The notion that parties can be works of art that partygoeres are players and the long night itself can be considered as raw art material ...
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.21.04 09:54 pm)
Disco - even the store windows have disco balls now. How long can one maintain fascination with a revolving mirror...id rather look into a bonfire.
disco as in state of mind ... however i do find the balls endlessly fasinating.
by Jareth (11.21.04 11:25 pm)
There’s no real life for an artist in America — only a living death.…If he is a painter, the surest way for him to survive is to make stupid portraits of even more stupid people, or sell his services to the advertising monarch, who, in my opinion, have done more to ruin art than any other simple factor I know of.
Henry Miller, The Air Conditioned Nightmare, New Directions, 1945
Zipper & jar of death ...
by richard serra (11.22.04 06:08 am)
Tweedledumb and Tweedledummer, making the usual vacuous parallels. they neither can or do paint, yet they feel licensed to make comments. U might as well say that Spanish or Japanese r dead languages 4 all your relevance. Again, u miss the point 2b besides the point. which raises the ? y u post here. Surely there is a site for wanna b performance artist's. Next u r gonna say sculpture is officially completed.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.22.04 08:43 am)
I'm good at doing stuff that is virtually art. The way I see it, there's already enough reality in existence.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.22.04 09:04 am)
this is a painter's forum ? Artforum is dedicated to mediums of painting and scuplture? right.
your right du, i did my years of achedmic painting training and the major reason i stopped was i could not afford nor maintain a studio and supplies and live in nyc. Then you start to ask your self y not and how... that lead to a different from a questioning which in turn asked for different medium. now i am sure you will respond with that is because i was unable to "sell" enough to "live" off of it. which is also sightly true,.. I don't feel that and Artist at my age should b supporting them selves totally off there work if they wish to progress. No one ever said painting was completed doll face. Especally me as i will spend most of my time looking at painting and sculpure.
Now, show me don't tell me, how about throwing down some links to painters that are really affecting, you or culture right now... or ur fresh new promising golden children of market place commodities.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.22.04 09:24 am)
"artforum.com is pleased to host TALK BACK, an open forum on contemporary art and culture."
It never occurred to me that contemporary art was in any way limited to painting and sculpture.
Painting = Painting = Painting ad infinitum
by Autistic (11.22.04 10:17 am)
Still the easiest most permanent way to produce signification. Low tech, archival and more energy efficient than any other medium. Of course it might require a developed skill, which might mean some labor, none of which i realize u pedestrians can manage.
Sculpture is only 4 those failed painters.
No one looks at the bullshit video/documentary/perfomance tripe of the last 40 years. And the computer has only yielded the heavy handed collagey re-chew of Rosenquist in someone like jeff koons, not 2 mention giving off radiation enough to infect zip w/ testicular cancer.
As usual stopnlaug your ignorance parallels the fools that voted for bush. I'd say start learning 2 paint by painting a large L on your forhead, if someone hasn't done that already.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.22.04 10:30 am)
those are reasonings of a craftsperson and not an artist baby.
and that whole call against scuplture is a load of shit not even worth approching.
clearly you know nothing about Art & tech...
however true both do pose problems interms of collecting in a consumer society, however i think the right collector will find means and methods, f-the mainstream.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.22.04 10:32 am)
this is a painter's forum ? Artforum is dedicated to mediums of painting and scuplture? wrong!
autistic one, etc. has no real idea what others look at, and, unless proved otherwise, is not a good painter at all, which, of course, has nothing to do with those that voted for Bush, nor with those that didn't.
I love how someone that complains about computers is indeed hiding in front of one. How ironic, right?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.22.04 10:36 am)
btw, what about this idea that collectors, artists. would come together for the experiance and insights into each others worlds? that it was a living organic system that served a purpose beyond day trading and peeps trying to validate there MFA's.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (11.22.04 10:50 am)
www.crownfarmer.com/
"Still the easiest most permanent way to produce signification. Low tech, archival and more energy efficient than any other medium."—Well that would actually be poetry.
Variation on a Theme by Rilke
by Denise Levertov
A certain day became a presence to me;
there it was, confronting me—a sky, air, light:
a being. And before it started to descend
from the height of noon, it leaned over
and struck my shoulder as if with
the flat of a sword, granting me
honor and a task. The day's blow
rang out, metallic—or it was I, a bell awakened,
and what I heard was my whole self
saying and singing what it knew: I can.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by jackieou (11.22.04 11:06 am)
Venice takes over the world: "On the beach" as new hot fashion statement; blown it on roulet (all mod cons for Margie Thatcher) get in with the in crowd:
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.22.04 11:29 am)
Painting in a "professional" manner is definitely not an activity for the "starving" artist.
artist all
by wally cox (11.22.04 11:36 am)
vigrid.clarence.com/
forced Tunick?
Re: Deer Blind
by zipthwung (11.22.04 11:42 am)
www.scenicsports.com/
I know how to paint.
Let the shooting begin.
by wally cox (11.22.04 11:48 am)
www.sewanee.edu/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.22.04 12:46 pm)
www.secondchance.com/
Sneeze Guard
Re: Patroling....officialy completed?
by Coxswain (11.22.04 01:01 pm)
www.operations.mod.uk/
never...boating is fun
Re: Go Air Brush
by zipthwung (11.22.04 01:55 pm)
img.thefreedictionary.com/
I'll see you in the Black Forest.
by Coxswain (11.22.04 02:05 pm)
camptrc.org/
so you can check out my bag, Dad
Re: Forest Camoflauge...
by zipthwung (11.22.04 02:54 pm)
www.kevinsites.net/
...is cold war surplus.
Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile!
While you´ve got a lucifer to light your fag
Smile, boys, that´s the style!
What´s the use worrying?
It never was worth while
So, pack up your troubles in your old kit bag
and smile, smile, smile
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.22.04 04:12 pm)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by thingsthatgo (11.22.04 05:32 pm)
pen's on poetry Cox on experience
Zip is never on leave japanese is going down (how do you post that -it won't work here) jared's on train but its not the bullet. buttlees is amazing. Steve's on the train—let it be virtual.
And had to chuckle this world is certainly jammed packed with reality
might be the clue to the trick of unpacking it
I get all coo-eyed
No, I get all-knocked-kneed
No, I get up in the morning
with one thing in mind
to dance to last night's
algebraic equation
with the right hand it packs
with the left hand it packs
something came up the other night
write the end of a novel a preexisting novel virtually could take a week or two twenty two doing it through a week or two
writing the end it works out is harder than rewriting or writing from scratch
writing from the end is a novel way
cobwebs away
as a way to rewrite the beginning
said
Re: Painting.... tell me a story...
by Jareth (11.22.04 06:01 pm)
so everything is lookin good here, for offically an "off" day. (mondays are traditionally the checkout/inday) crowds in the Art spaces are healthier then i have ever saw. Belligio (that chiuly hocking factory) had the Monet mounted almost made it in but had to go (groan) get a check up and teeth cleaning.. the Raushenburgs are still in the lobby, so stickin to the mission a bit... Was planning oh hatein the Gugg. but the have a amazeing show up "the Pursuit of Pleasure" .. a really feel good/bad show
www.guggenheimlasvegas.org/
www.lvseniorpress.com/
beyone the obvious slide show hits, (Marc Chagalls Green Violinist & Nicholas Lancrets, the Swing this show really hits well the whole was greater then the great parts it both told a story of its own, and expanded on the building and culture of Vegas iteslf, Rems space proves that the white cube can be broke. even with my normal have great distain for an audio tour but this one was super.. or i just liked people dancin to the music on it... philliasite that i am i did not know that Toulose-Lautrec had really set up his "still lives" in such an uh manner ! neet. whole adventure into the love, hunt and celebration ended in a sum what was a delicious moralistic note where "everything has fallen apart but doesnt it look a bit like fun"
www.guggenheimlasvegas.org/
Re: Painting....
by zipthwung (11.22.04 06:31 pm)
...time was we could all agree. Tell ya, life aint easy, dental dams.....
Toulouse baby....
read that book and put it to bed. Cute real cute.
slow, slow train
by Jam Master Jareth (11.22.04 07:06 pm)
Well, my baby went to Illinois with some bad-talkin' boy she could destroy
A real suicide case, but there was nothin' I could do to stop it,
I don't care about economy, I don't care about astronomy
But it sure do bother me to see my loved ones turning into puppets,
There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zip (11.22.04 07:33 pm)
www.beigerecords.com/
shade
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.22.04 08:07 pm)
discovered francesca woodman's photographic work this evening- wasn't she amazing? how about this idea... she wanted to be able to establish a similar realtionship between words and her images as those achieved in Breton's book, Nadja...influenced as she was by surrealism, feminism, and the italians.
StaffBlog officially completed.
by Autistic (11.23.04 06:16 am)
this is a painter's forum ? Artforum is dedicated to mediums of painting and scuplture? wrong!
Aussie replies: Why don't u count up how many articles AF has done on ptg.?
autistic one, etc. has no real idea what others look at, and, unless proved otherwise, is not a good painter at all, which, of course, has nothing to do with those that voted for Bush, nor with those that didn't.
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Aut. 1 replies: Pretty easy 2 tell u don't know ptg by the way u and the other core members avoid talking about any painting in detail. Lots of trendy name dropping, but elaboration of any one ptg in particular. Moreover, your claim is equally vacuous, u have no way of proving i suk as a painter. At least i can prove i have the everday knowledge of craft and subject matter. u morons r still stuck i first gear w/ oldies like piranisi and google links. u voted 4 bush u anal loving CHRISTIAN!
I love how someone that complains about computers is indeed hiding in front of one. How ironic, right?
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Cut 2 some scene in generic subbie bedroom w/ a drooling geek punching pixels. Cut and paste in zip, jareth, steph. The barb was aimed at zip/jar, Moron 1 and Moron 2, M1, M2, hereafter. u can fight over top billing later. I spend less than 30 min. each weekday morning on line. I often miss days at a time. I hate e-mail. Endo. I paint 4 a living, which means meeting deadlines and the business contract part. Checking on the honesty of dealers is absorbing enough as it is. I know u morons will never come to this, but a dealer can buy your work at your wholesale price, then turn around and sell it 4 a higher retail leaving the artist out. My posts r limited, very; not like u redundant constants.
www.new-video.de/
by Jam Master Jareth (11.23.04 07:13 am)
"Artforum is dedicated to mediums of painting and scuplture"
key word = dedicated
ur posts are limited to trashing on Zip and I. I am a cyborg.... no prob. admiting that. However, i am still intrested in paintings, as well as there functions. We have a bit of a "google" augmented language developed where yes we even e-mail and aim each other links.. at any night "did you see that link", comes up as often as "that piece", or "that book".... and this is no small group of people,
"At least i can prove i have the everday knowledge of craft and subject matter"
what have you ever said that proves this?
How about a link to ur own work? or maybe an essay u wrote, or even some one ur influanced by? anything?
who do you think doesn't have deadlines, business in there lives ? this has nothing to do with Art it has to do with reality for anyone I know... and "checking on honesty" wtf is dishonest about a "dealer" proffitering off of u ? Dude u set the original price. Are you talking about a "dealer" one more time "DEALER" or friend? get a job. "honesty"? the "Art world" HA you better come up with something better then that.
Re: Painting....sampling myself sampling you sampling the crackers at the grocer
by zipthwung (11.23.04 08:37 am)
“He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.”
www.newyorker.com/
And ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’?”—here he was referring to perhaps the best-known Nirvana song. “That’s Boston’s ‘More Than a Feeling.’” He began to hum the riff of the Boston hit, and said, “The first time I heard ‘Teen Spirit,’ I said, ‘That guitar lick is from “More Than a Feeling.”’ But it was different—it was urgent and brilliant and new.”
Re: Stephenlauf
by epforbrush (11.23.04 08:38 am)
The Carnegie International?
I heard Leslie Dill speak at a symposium last weekend and she really turned me onto her travels in India and the work that came from it. Made reservations for my pilgrimmage to the Barnes Foundation and hope to make a stop at the new improved Aldrich Museum on connecticut to see my muse shazia sikhander. I admire anyone who isn't addicted to their box.
Re: Drinking beer with friends is the highest form......
by zipthwung (11.23.04 08:39 am)
....of poisoning yourself.
Day Late Plaza
by anonymous (11.23.04 09:54 am)
www.jfkpix.com/
I don't think he's adjusting his tie.
Transhumanism
by Jam Master Jareth (11.23.04 10:40 am)
it is so far beyond addiction...
it is the merger and battle for which aspects are assimlated and how.
the inside is out the outside is in.
convergance, home networking, nanotechonogy... tesseract surfing... i have seen the futue, i have seen the past... we have no present.
The highest wisdom consists in this, for man to know himself . . . therefore let high inquirers and searchers into the deep mysteries of nature learn first to know what they have in themselves, and by the divine power within them let them first heal themselves and transmute their own souls.
Re: Motorcade
by zipthwung (11.23.04 10:41 am)
www.ibiblio.org/
by Jam Master Jareth (11.23.04 10:57 am)
We’re on a road to nowhere
Come on inside
Takin’ that ride to nowhere
We’ll take that ride
I’m feelin’ okay this mornin’
And you know,
We’re on the road to paradise
Here we go, here we go
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.23.04 12:27 pm)
epforbrush,
I haven't made it to Pittsburgh yet. :-(
Have fun at the Barnes—like I said before, haven't made it there yet either (even though it's like 15 minutes from where I live). How long are you staying in Philadelphia?
I'm a failed painter
by richard serra (11.23.04 01:02 pm)
that's why i make most of my money at prints and drwgs. Those cold rolled pieces cost too damn much to make. The Army is taking them to Iraq. Anyway, they r flat like paintings, i have never gotten away from ptg. booh-hooh sob sob.
NYC ....officialy completed?
by Jam Master Jareth (11.23.04 01:15 pm)
RS i like ur prints and got laid in undergrad in one of ur scuptures....
In other questions:
Whats is it called when they burn the forests for new growth ? heard Liza at La Cage do New York.. felt a little chill :)
Will The Last Hipster Please Turn Out The Lights?
New York cool dies its thousandth death
www.newyorkmetro.com/
(of course not)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.23.04 03:46 pm)
There's (at least) a small party in Voodoo Valley Saturday evening, then it's probably moving downtown.
The Odds of Ottopia Desk starts production on schedule.
They're still all talking about the Otto, Gordon and Lafayette adventure on Quondam's 8th anniversary. Another Trumbauer Deconstruction Reenactment!
LEAVING OBSCURITY BEHIND
The 2005 Horace Trumbauer Architecture Fan Club Convention
beginning 28 December 2004
[28 December 1868 birth of Horace Trumbauer]
A Grand Social Spectacle
[28 December 1931 birth of Guy Debord]
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.23.04 05:29 pm)
Hey RS, love the TE Sparrows, you got better postioning 2 by the high rollers entrance, poor J.Chaberlain stuck in the resturant and all....
Monet was packed gofiga...
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (11.23.04 05:30 pm)
tequila, no hangover
goes with yr shatner...
www.thevelvetstore.com/
Guys only skate- girls off the floor for this one
by epforbrush (11.23.04 05:54 pm)
I'm travelin' down the road,
I'm flirtin' with disaster.
I've got the pedal to the floor,
My life is running faster.
I'm out of money, I'm out of hope,
It looks like self destruction.
Well how much more can we take,
With all of this corruption.
Been flirtin' with disaster,
Ya'll know what I mean.
And the way we run our lives,
It makes no sense to me.
I don't know about yourself or,
What you want to be - YEAH.
When we gamble with our time,
We choose our destiny.
Chorus:
I'm travelin' down that lonesome road.
Feel like I'm dragging a heavy load.
Yeah! I've tried to turn my head away,
Feels about the same most every day.
Speeding down the fast lane,
Playin' from town to town.
The boys and I have been burnin' it up,
Can't seem to slow it down.
I've got the pedal to the floor,
Our lives are runnin' faster,
Got our sights set straight ahead,
But ain't sure what we're after.
Flirtin' with disaster,
Ya'll know what I mean.
You know the way we run our lives,
It makes no sense to me.
I don't know about yourself or,
What you plan to be - Yea!!
When we gamble with our time,
We choose our destiny.
Chorus:
Yeah!! We're travelin' down that lonesome road.
Feel like I'm dragging a heavy load.
Don't try to turn my head away,
I'm flirtin' with disaster every day.
Flirtin' with disaster, baby,
Ya'll know what I mean.
You know the way we run our lives,
It makes no sense to me.
I don't know about yourself or,
What you plan to be - Yea!!
When we gamble with our time,
We choose our destiny.
Chorus:
Yeah!! We're travelin' down that lonesome road.
Feel like I'm dragging a heavy load.
Don't try to turn my head away,
I'm flirtin' with disaster every day.
Re: JFK
by zipthwung (11.24.04 01:43 am)
Blood of a Wig
Expand the metaphorical universe – the symbolic order.
Habermas humanist
Interdisciplinary scholarship
Split between truth of scientific understanding and metaphorical meaning
Attempt to blur boundary between these two is “obscurantism” – better to keep separate.
Pleasure in meaning. Joissance.
Class struggle
-agitation/antagonism or
-recognition of differences
Impossibility of truly egalitarian society
-must break eggs- who’s eggs? Faberge? omelette is side effect.
Capitalism is played out –too ordered -too many card counters– need new system, new order (any order)
to avoid -totalizing? death –thanatos.
Culture war –red republicans –blue democrats.
Fundamentalists Populists Conservatives Liberals. Idiots. Use same logic.
Threats (real or imagined) used to justify restrictions.
Sleepwalkers
Sex and violence as a way to wake up
“The thing”
Sublimation
Unmediated pain
Death drive
More life fucker
Surplus cheese
Refusal to participate in game.
Too look is to be blinded by the act of interpretation.
Don’t look, feel. Avoid objectification. Objectify.
Right to interfere – moral high ground – wolf, sheep dog and sheep.
Warrior class. Intellectual leasure class. Working Class hero is something to be.
Disenfranchized in circle of hell-limbo between death and life eros and thanatos dyonysian appolonian
Exile from symbolic order. Fuck you.
Transparency too great – nothing to write about.
Opacity metaphor like focus metaphor
–opacity photoshop –digital term.
Focus- analog term
Masks create drama. No mask, no drama.
Vanity poetry is funny.
Humor everywhere.
Infinity/gravitas is straight man.
Being taken seriously – how important. Strength of character – talkback quote.
Fake it till you make it.
Fake it so others will take it
Offloaded belief- object.
Persona
Contingency.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.24.04 02:02 am)
offer me solutions:
Ghandi only good in liberal government
Silence as before storm more telling than protest as expected; That which resists only legitimizes.
Kill me and i will only grow stronger as obi wan.
Cy-jar
by alcoholic Father (11.24.04 06:13 am)
Dude u set the original price. Are you talking about a "dealer" one more time "DEALER" or friend? get a job. "honesty"? the "Art world" HA you better come up with something better then tha
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Wrong again screen boy. the artist sets the wholesale price and the retail. But as has been documented well elsewhere, this does not stop the dealer from paying the wholesale cost, but selling to a client at greater price. If u don't have a royalty clause, u r fucked. It means a lot when u do a print deal. One has 2 negotiate a client disclosure, buybacks and royalties. One must dig around 4 a dealer one can do business w/. W/ the gagosians, deitch's or paces u might as well b dealing w/ Tiffanies. Not so much the owners as much as the directors. they r like bush, talk in vague generalities and have others do the dirty work. As I've said b4 under a million different names, established painters pretty much get their own list and sell direct. Takes time, but word of mouth works. That leaves having a show a dubious entity.
I think my past comments on velatura's w/ stepson, brush drag and fat over lean, and the most important, who sets the lights and caters @ your opening suffice 2 license propositions regarding ptg. U can google them w/ zoogle. I figured u two were queer boys working together, if u even differ at all.
I've said 2 many things here that would greatly piss off some prominant people in the old art world. Mayb 1day when dementia sets in ...
And then finally, i know u all hate art history, but the ptg. vs. sculpture issue was argued and settled long ago by Leonardo and Michel Angelo. The former 1 of course.
Moveover jar jar
by Jareth (11.24.04 06:20 am)
i've already shown a 'craft' 4 subsuming this site by taking over any identity @ will. that should count 4 something, oui ou non?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.24.04 07:13 am)
Tafuri must here be taken to task because he comes extremely close to the truth about Piranesi and his large plan of the Campo Marzio, but he then falls fatally short of seeing the truth. Tafuri is absolutely wrong when he states, "Piranesi did not possess the means for translating the dynamic interrelationships of this contradiction into form." In truth, Piranesi worked very hard to "translate" the opposite yet necessarily linked notions of life and death (rational and irrational) within his great plan, and I have substantially documented Piranesi's (metabolic operations) in "Eros et Thanatos Ichnographiam Campi Martii" — a (so far) short series of pages within schizophrenia + architectures starting at www.quondam.com/1999/3/0203.htm . Stated briefly, Eros names the life instinct and Thanatos names the death instinct, and Piranesi carefully deliniates (between 1758-1762) both these "instincts" within the ancient city of Rome.
It is becoming more and more clear to me that any discussion of the rational and the irrational (in design and capitalism) tends to lead toward confusions unless they acceptingly incorporate the over riding creative-destructive nature of the metabolic (imagination).
excerpt lists1.cac.psu.edu/
Voodoo Valley separates Feltonville and Olney. More (Saturday night) shootings occur in Feltonville than in Olney.
Looks like "broken records personae" has run out of new material. Do they actually still sell Velveeta?
30 November 1994 suicide of Guy Debord (shot himself in the heart). Very Eros et Thanatos. Spectacular!
extra yawn...
by Jareth (11.24.04 09:05 am)
yes du du i understood the first time, and i stand by my original statement.
ps. constantly borrowing... my/(0ur)idenities... when i am not fighting back in any way is not exactly intresting, and does not exactly say much about painting now does it? well?
"some scene in generic subbie bedroom w/ a drooling geek punching pixels."
you could maybe frame it as sum form of consceptual BOX/TECH work but you are to good for that... a real painters painter.. now if you will excuse me i have to go hunt a PAINTING collection down that has ended up in some museam far off the strip. Anyhow ...
u plan on backin ur ass up at any point in this? true, i don't paint but i do love paintings ... so lets rap hot shot.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.24.04 09:15 am)
ps. i didn't request a demonstrion of ur idea of "craft" which i am sure is a slam at what ever u figure i do...
however,
"How about a link to ur own work? or maybe an essay u wrote, or even some one ur influanced by? anything?"
not that u care, but this has been years of bs now.. (or do you as u seem to center ur posts at least in part with an attempt to bring me down) but i really don't think what u say matters at all. i am very open minded and enjoy a challange so hook it up, otherwise ur dead to me.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.24.04 09:51 am)
www.kraftfoods.com/
"Welcome to the Clean Plate Club!"
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.24.04 12:05 pm)
painting vs sculpture? there are the egyptians and then there is jessica stockholder to prove the pluralism of the art world at this moment- sculpture is re-defining the 3rd dimension of space and time and breaking ground in the 4th, 5th, 6th dimension with sound
be nice to painting otherwise it may just bite ya
by thingsthatgo (11.24.04 04:47 pm)
some get off on the idea that the third is a shadow for the fourth, and the fourth a shadow of the fifth and in a sense that is correct—you need to plot more points in sculpture than you would need to do in painting. so it could be said painting is but a shadow of sculpture. There is also a problem with this. This 4d shadow called the three can't ever make it thru to the fourth and can only be broken down in the 3rd thru virtual planer webs, cads for steve. To have some measure of success in the fourth you might need to plot a rather large number of points remembering no matter how many points are plotted in the third will not get you lift off, so you need to think about it another way—how can you plot more points without taking on more form?
That is where film comes in. But there is a problem there too. Film tends to copy points instead of redistributing them into position that would relieve an image of its burden. or maybe film is liked because it touches us with the burden and hints away from it. Anyway painting has along way to go—believe me.
This rhythm just makes me high
by Jareth (11.24.04 05:46 pm)
a million different types of film, 16, 8 35 mm... film like stan, paul that uses the meduim itself... film as documentry of things "just happening" (i think andy would have prefered video) .. then video! high end low end... comerical consumer... film video as documentry of performance, "acting", scripts vs.. happenings, Artists who "force people to be in there work", who "script" who "perform"... i heard there are alot now so disillusioned with the system that they have taken to doing performances that the do not even document or care if anyone reads as Art or what ever... there are sound and video pieces who hit the 5th 4th dimension and those who don't there are paintings who hit those dimensions as well and those that don't ... it.. a sensitvity to aura. beat... that energy between... seems the minute u try to put ur finger on it it just slipss away... gott alet it b.
I could dance all night
Work it like you're workin' a pole
Shake it 'til you're shakin' the floor
Pop it like you're poppin' a cork
(Ohhh)
Don't stop, don't stop
Jerk it like you're makin' it choke
(Like that)
Break it like you're breakin' a code
(Like that)
Drop it 'til you're takin' it lower
(Like that)
So intoxicated
I'm so stimulated
Feel so X-rated
I could dance all night
As long as it's funky (funky...funky)
This rhythm just makes me high
I'm like a junkie
I could dance all night
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by thingsthatgo (11.24.04 06:36 pm)
dancing's fine by me
zip should google wavelength + 7.23 cm
if he hasn't already
Re: Whats the frequency Kenneth?
by zipthwung (11.24.04 11:44 pm)
ask.yahoo.com/
"What's the frequency, Kenneth?" is your Benzedrine, uh-huh
I was brain-dead, locked out, numb, not up to speed
I thought I'd pegged you an idiot's dream
Tunnel vision from the outsider's screen
I never understood the frequency, uh-huh
You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh
I'd studied your cartoons, radio, music, TV, movies, magazines
Richard said, "Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy"
A smile like the cartoon, tooth for a tooth
You said that irony was the shackles of youth
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I never understood the frequency, uh-huh
"What's the frequency, Kenneth?" is your Benzedrine, uh-huh
Butterfly decal, rear-view mirror, dogging the scene
You smile like the cartoon, tooth for a tooth
You said that irony was the shackles of youth
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I never understood the frequency, uh-huh
You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
You said that irony was the shackles of youth, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
I never understood, don't fuck with me, uh-huh
listening to the kid's ipod
by penelope (11.25.04 12:21 am)
Skip town. slow down
Push it to the east coast
Step down turn around
Push it to the west
Need less, use less
We're asking for too much I guess
Cause all we get is...
Dead disco
Dead funk
Dead rock and roll
Remodel
Everything has been done
La la la la la la la la la la
Tits out, pants down
Overnight to London
Touch down, look around
Everyone's the same
World wide, air tight
No one's got a face left to blame
And all we get is...
Dead disco
Dead funk
listening to the kid's ipod...
Dead rock and roll
Remodel
Everything has been done
La la la la la la la la la la
Dead disco
Dead funk
Dead rock and roll
Remodel
Everything has been done
La la la la la la la la la la
I know, I know you tried to change things
I know you tried to change
I know
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.25.04 12:26 am)
SL- its not that its been said but how well and at when. Except here its been said again.
People lined up an hour early, and lecture started late.
Apology for showing up late - assured lateness not an attempt at being important....apology for seating arangement -not a status thing.
Mix of students, academics, art world types and intellectuals.
Lecture with accent like Sean Connery in The Russia House.
Assumed knowledge of context in the manner of continuing existing conversation
Some left none the wiser.
is this the reel life or is it just fantttaccy...
by Jareth (11.25.04 12:27 am)
ok, zippy - heartland - hugeblaze.. here is my new fav. story...
so believe it or not i am stickin to plan dry out and go to spa and re-read books... head down to the strip tonight all geared up to check the sceen... tire quickly of being mistaken for a lady of the streets, i have no idea how that happens, and stuff i have been reviewin has me scared enough that i am like ok i am just going to cruse solo... so struten thru the Paris and i shit you not people are like practically high fiveing me, i am all wtf... finally this one lady comments on my preformace, extra confusing.. turns out there is this show there "we will rock you", that people thought i was in.... so the folks and i hit it up. ha. great time ! to bad i could not afford the 30 F.M. wife beater!
hey Principal De Nero! cruz up to harlam dat is where it is really happening. we will blow ur dick off, i promise. oh wait but we do use "CRAP"
hahahahhaahhhaaa
ahah
aha
ah
oh that's good.
She finally played me, but yo, I'd find another
by Jareth (11.25.04 12:39 am)
Cause I got the crazy game and yo, I'm smooth like butter
Butter, like butter baby . . . [repeat 2x]
Not no parkay, not no margarine,
Strickly butter baby, strictly butter
Live Disco Live FunK Live Rock and Rockin roll
by Jareth (11.25.04 01:13 am)
THERE WERE SONGS BEFORE THERE WAS RADIO
OF LOVE THAT STAYS AND LOVE THAT GOES
THEY WERE WRITING MELONCHOLY TUNES
AND TEARFUL WORDS THAT RHYME
BEFORE MY TIME
BEFORE MY TIME
THERE WERE SONGS IN OLD DUSTY BOOKS
OF LOVE THATS ALWAYS BEEN
SWEET LOVERS IN THEIR GLORY
WHO ARE NOW GONE WITH THE WIND
OLD FASHION LOVE WORDS SPOKEN THEN
KEEP COMING BACK AROUND AGAIN
NOTHINGS CHANGED EXCEPT THE NAMES
THEIR LOVE BURNS JUST LIKE MINE
BEFORE MY TIME
BEFORE MY TIME
AND IN THE DIM OF YESTERDAY
I CAN CLEARLY SEE
THAT FLESH AND BLOOD CRIED OUT TO SOMEONE
AS IT DOES IN ME
AND THERE WAS SOME OLD SONG THAT SAID
I LOVE YOU 'TIL I DIE
BEFORE MY TIME
BEFORE MY TIME
Re: Metric
by zipthwung (11.25.04 01:54 am)
I could never wrap my head around what two meters was...like its not six feet....
Re: www.seacoastonline.com/
by thingsthatgo (11.25.04 03:05 am)
don`t worry if you`re on foot you don`t need meters
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.25.04 08:30 am)
ending 17 January 2006
[17 January 395 death of Theodosius]
300th Anniversary of the birth of Benjamin Franklin
[The final paper of LEAVING OBSCURITY BEHIND might just be Debord's "De Spectaculis III".]
becoming quondam
www.philly.com/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Sickofthisshite (11.25.04 09:22 am)
It's such a stupid little argument which is better. Sculpture or painting.
Painting I believe lasts longer in the mind and is more restrictive.
Michelangelo thought sculpture was much more important than painting but then again most people talk about sistine chapel
and don't really think about David when they think of Michaelangelo.
Maybe the more educated sense
that sculpture could possibly be more important because of it's cultural value, but I really don't think it relates to the individual.
So now your dealing with capitolistic or socialistic principles. we should know which one sets more precidents.
The problem with being a starving artists and creating professional works is that everyone with money wants to steal it. Or do it themselves.
Then you have your own family bitching at the teeth about
your unliveability, and you'll be out on the street again.
So naturally, those who've been unable to do their great paintings because of these conditions look at the public area as the most prominent
and executive place to communicate.
Placing more emphasis on Sculpture than painting than it really has on people.
Sculpture is everywhere, but you have to go inside to see a painting.
www.thebrooklynrail.org/
by Jareth (11.25.04 09:55 am)
What Fahey failed to realize, however, is that the real war is not far away, but in our heads as we battle for a place in reality that is increasingly being supplanted by a technological dream world. Turns out that the CBS show Survivor really is the territory when it comes to locating ourselves in an increasingly mediated world where surveillance and life on camera is more tangible then the media sanitized war in Iraq. Survivor challenges us to examine whether reality and media can coexist—or more frighteningly, whether we are on our way to a complete melding of the two.
Re: "First rule of gunrunning: never get shot with your own merchandise."
by zipthwung (11.25.04 02:07 pm)
That shit is BS. I heart Huckabees - media means something, allways has.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.25.04 02:10 pm)
I.E. If you live in a fantasy its real enough. If its a bad fantasy, move. if you cant move, deal.
2d 3d 4d 5d and beyond...
by Jareth (11.25.04 05:16 pm)
thinkin about it more in terms of "VR space", "characters" and "dimension" and "realities" on a cultural level... even "celebrities." and changeing notions of...
what does "celebritie"mean now. What has happended to the idea of "glamour". As affected by the mass media. How does this affect our consiousness? How much public perception and relationship to mass entertainment/media in general and effect on what we would think of as "actual" realites... where the lines exist inbetween...
lets take trump for example.
Re: Painting....sculpture
by epforbrush (11.25.04 05:58 pm)
lots of flashes in the pan...lots of art is not commodity...there is lack of universality right now so don't go try to go there...things are good or not good for what they are...objects, ideas, art this furthers the dialogue or discourse...there isn't one great thing at the moment...there are lots of really good things...we are inundated with art as a culture right now...tv is another realm of culture as is fashion or architecture or scholarship/research...artists at their best are art world stars...making things that last forever...artists don't make good celebrities in my opinion..they basically have one message if they are lucky and that is boring to the masses who want variety and entertainment...the public demands that the artist react or respond to them...artists make essentially the same exploration over and over in their careers peeling back the layer of the onion to reveal the unknown to themselves and to the public through their work
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas
by Jareth (11.25.04 06:20 pm)
so Art need not exist, or be understoooutside of the "Artworld" of its particular region? i can't help but feel it has a relationship to other areas of culture.. perhaps that is my personal taste and "hero" elevation... perhaps also my intrest in video and theater changes my approch... i really look up to the Picasso's Dali's and Warhols as trite as that sounds for there ability to sculput persona...
who in ur estimation are "art world stars" right now... post Barney.
Hey Heartland can't get thru to ur phone and i am on dial up ... ewwweee dial up ring me if u get a chance.
who would you
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by thingsthatgo (11.25.04 06:23 pm)
the whole media thing up till now has been a test run. we'll be surprised at the product once it's up and firing to full production.
November 2 1936
Official opening of first regular high-definition television service from BBC studios at Alexandra Palace, London. Alternating on a weekly basis between Baird's 240-line intermediate film system and Marconi-EMI's 405-line system all-electronic system. The 220 ft high mast in top of an 80-ft high east tower of the building, is over 600 ft above sea level to maximise radiation. Picture information is transmitted on an ultra-short wave frequency of 6.67m, sound on 7.23m. Two blocks of programmes are broadcast daily, Monday to Saturday, at 15:00-16:00 and 21:00-22:00.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.25.04 07:01 pm)
i think inka essenhigh is saying something and demonstrates freshness and consistent talent and trueness to herself...richard serra has these same qualities...both attract success and are successful...deborah butterfield...i don't think that mainstream as applied to an art world artist is a bad word in that throwing an artist to the public is like throwing them to the lions getting treated shabbily can be detrimental to one's work and career...the visual arts is a privileged club but artists are quite vulnerable...let's face it we all want to dine at the banquet and really it's nice to be celebrated and treated with respect acclaim and honors...artists are an elite group of society...no you didn't have to earn a phd to get there but you probably worked your butt off climbing the ladder...why did you choose video or theater? did you exhaust the possibilites of other media or make choices that brought you to where you are? then there's judy chicago who has existed outside the cannon and has fought and won alot of terrain that has to do with the vallidity of her subject matter and process but the shows, reviews, critics, collectors all played a part of her success...she has a message the art world wants to hear that it didn't hear before or wasn't hearing before...she is recognized as a visual artist in that her message is a visual message and her work is art not craft and there may not even be language to process or describe what she is doing but in my opinion her message is more important than her work or rather her message is the work of art which i think is closer to what you are saying, right?
Re:tuns
by Jareth (11.25.04 07:04 pm)
:) yes ttg... the tech outlook is good ! (i have an hdtv deck in my workspace one of the benfits of the grind) 16:9, VOD all the way...
Re: Painting....officialy expanded..
by Jareth (11.25.04 07:20 pm)
yeah i love RS, Inka is a little illistrative, like alot of programs, but i don't know much nor have i seen much of the work...
i guess i worked with everything loosely thru undergrad painting, neon, glass casting, welding, bronze, video and my studio was the raver refuge camp.. ... at the end of the day i went for tech mfa because it was practical and i could move to nyc, then i hated the tech art here for the most part and i started to ask my self, y nyc? answer was the Artworld itself... and just being in it.. i really like to shoot and the effect of cameras in social situations.. they not me make it theater... and that is where most of my paid gigs are.... i try to get gigs shooting who/what i am in to so it all kinda blends... i shoot people i think are important, .. i used to try to manipute situations, and lost alot of friends. now i don't. i really don't know what i am saying... still in a stage of sorting it all out... (i find just doing it and being wrong and getting corrected is the easyest way)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 07:32 pm)
actually the answer is because i really really like and want to understand everything about Andy Warhol.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.25.04 08:02 pm)
andy warhol was an incredible craftsman with technique...most artists are talented at their technique or invent a technique to match their talent...and then there is product...i just don't get jackson pollock's work...imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and the quickest means to finding out another person's thoughts...i don't like a lot of art...a lot of artists reputations are invented to accommodate an historians theories...some of it just doesn't seem that great to me...i think there is one person's reaction to art and then there is this experience of worship and awe we are supposed to have/feel in the presence of greatness...persona are exhaustible but then again so is talent and intellect if not fed...it sounds like you chose video or photo over other media partly because of the potential/immediate power although aesthetically paint and color are very powerful tools and for the attraction to the living thing vs the inanimate canvas or material...do you photograph nature? do you think about portrait photography...wedding photography...and how they feed into conceptual forms of photography...like wim wenders following a train of thought vs plot action narrative story...the staged vs the real? i think you were saying the video makes the mundane and the everyday a stage...how do you justify the attention from the viewer? with movies it is the star of the film or the sound effects...are you saying something about everyman (the viewers gaze makes him a star) or do you see something societal and impersonal through your lens that forms the core of your work? sex sells, men don't wear dresses, americans are obese...
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 08:50 pm)
i adore pollock alot at first just because i was tripping the first time i saw it and the white and black kept trading places.. spaces.. i think it is pretty simple y people r attracted to most Art with there gut to begin with and spend the rest of there lives figuring out y.. the whole historical context, mass media movies, cia story, fashion backdrop politics now keeps me involved...
wedding photos, no... i don't think i am the kinda gurl that anyone would marry... it is not my fantacy.
i tend to only video what i am into i live in a world where men do where dresses... in the ideal at least in most of the theater i go to with the folks... 3 at least involved crossdressers this week... i think they are beutiful, i have never sold a video piece.. so it is not that 'sex' sells it is that i am intrested in exploreing aspects of sex... and yes it is true... i like to use the camrea to get peoples attention, to underscore, or heroisise, critic, or stop time... i like it when people take pictures of me.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.25.04 09:00 pm)
androgyny
transexual
bi gay straight
gender
all bear a visual code?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 09:05 pm)
maybe i guess? Art aside i have always really been into it when i try to anylise it feel wierd.
Re: coolio
by epforbrush (11.25.04 09:26 pm)
has anyone ever heard of art addiction www.artaddiction.net or postpicasso.com? who visits 'these' sites? does it do an artist's reputation good or bad to do online business with their work in these virtual galleries?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 09:46 pm)
i will look in a min... i am going back between me family and computer... just flipped thru catalogues i picked up this week with my grate aunt... it is great when pictures are simple and make peoples eye bright...
and i use video alot out of respect on some level i look at these Masterpieces and just think, in a life time i could never achive that... i need to do find another language.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.25.04 09:58 pm)
is the technique of these mastrpieces or language relevant anymore or does the art world need more artists like jim nutt and colette calascione...who are your masters and what masterpieces in particular blow your mind?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by thingsthatgo (11.25.04 10:19 pm)
If an online gallery suits you in that you like the work that will surround yours, and it has an aggressive marketing strategy, and a shop off-line, and has some sway, or is beginning to make some ripples on the surface of a cultural market that you are looking at, then, sure, go for it.
Otherwise keep working them shows.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 11:29 pm)
The techque of these pieces is timeless.. that is how they are "masterpieces" - mutt does not do it for me, I am sure painting has far to go, just not a plate i could step to.
Thx... 4 the link i will go over Sat. when i am back on high speed conection.. 4 now my dad wants me to read a few chapters in this book "The Future of Freedom" .. Vegas is fun i have been told i can get a good tech job anytime, but i am really homesick for nyc at the same time, i don't feel jaded here however... believe it or not it sobers me up.
ummm... i don't like to look at anything on line but video, not really even text ... it seems disposable and impersonal i collect books.
Catalogue's are great however, i like to flip thru them with people.... uh, the work i was looking at that made me have that thought will sound cliche, but oh well happened to be Monet, Degas, Dongen, Chagall, Picasso, Kandinsky, Klee, Rubens and Toulouse-Lautrec ...
Re: solicitation or soul mate?
by epforbrush (11.25.04 11:35 pm)
www.artestudio.net
www.sculpturalpursuit.com
and dingli stone carving in Fujian China etc etc etc
how do they find artists in the first place? come to think of it the other day i received the first copy of what looks like a subscription to some museum and gallery guide in the mail-wtf?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.25.04 11:56 pm)
which one?
most are online or free in galleries and museums..
if you ad an
http : // (take spaces out it is invisable) ur links will work
www.artestudio.net
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.26.04 02:15 am)
WTF?
Anyone up for kidnapping the pardonned presidential turkeys? Just the Reagan years.
We'll dress up in the standard ski masks and infiltrate Frying Pan Park in a rented mobile home.
We'll demand Conagra Foods con-solidate its brands as a symbol of good faith to end corporate deception. I mean corn is corn. We want it buttery!!!
Re: Job description.....over 40 "bullet" points....
by zipthwung (11.26.04 02:27 am)
1) Analyze the relationship of statistics to a process, understand process capability, and use statistical process control to monitor a process
www.careerlink.org/
Statistician
ConAgra Foods Corporate
Quality Systems
Work in Omaha, Nebraska
Start ASAP
Re: Painting....official evidence?
by zipthwung (11.26.04 02:42 am)
2 accused of posing boy with pot pipe
"Police said that the couple maintain that the water pipe did not contain pot when the photos were taken and that the boy did not actually smoke any.
www.courier-journal.com/
looks like the party's already starting
by stephenlauf (11.26.04 07:38 am)
A Party of Renaissance Personalities
www.nytimes.com/
[note the exhibit ends 13 February 2005, the quondam feast of Saint Catherine de Ricci.]
13 February 2004
www.quondam.com/
www.quondam.com/
www.quondam.com/
[13 February 2005 is the scheduled date of the Saint Catherine de Ricci and Louis I. Kahn presentation of "Reenactionary Bilocation Architecturism", while the Marcel Duchamp and C. Paul Jennewein presentation of "Nudist Camp at the Philadelphia Museum of Art" is set for 20 March 2005. Since Bronzino's PORTRAIT OF COSIMO I DE'MEDICI AS ORPHEUS —
www.quondam.com/
is a key part of "Nudist Camp..." a bilocation of both papers would make a better reality.]
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by thingsthatgo (11.27.04 07:05 am)
No-one else could do it.
I wonder!
There comes a time in a person's life where they begin to recreate their own arrangement; and then it turns up at some other time; a season change with the wind.
There are indeed few leaves left—it's been a good few seasons since I've seen the cascade.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.27.04 07:24 am)
today is the day to road trip to the aldrich museum to see the shazia sikhander show maybe swing through grounds for sculpture this afternoon and tomorrow morning i have reservations at the barnes foundation- my dealer emailed me last night that she made a sale so it is with a light heart that i go-
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.27.04 12:17 pm)
www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/
Go Barnes!
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by alienbarbiebaby (11.28.04 04:16 pm)
See, there you go...something about sculpture - fags love it but I'm sure they do it inside out. I really wish they'd see down and right it up; all of this stuff gets ussed as voo doo or some sort of money exchang/conceptual art. Seen ansculpture lately that you just liked? Something that made a progressive, positive statmemnt; not money scam or ha ha ha. Remember, the italiens gave up years ago - all roads lead to industrial designe. Things like Ferrari's and coffee makers are their art form (we won't even talk about all that concrete architectural work , especialy in the fifties, the last time I remember they're being free and easy with pics. ever seen a pic of the monza banking (circa 1924)from the back side?)
Re: road trip- gotta do it more often
by epforbrush (11.28.04 06:00 pm)
the barnes foundation was fabulust! totally fucking amazing awesome shit! my favorite was the old blue guy by picasso but loved the modigliani as well. also saw the bottle show at the aldrich and my first ever damien hirst- saint andrew? one of the apostle cabinets- the guard said his minions brought it and installed it the guards weren't allowed to touch it and he was no show but shazia sikhander had a really nice wall painting at the aldrich and one of her video pieces reminded me of walton ford
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.28.04 06:03 pm)
road trips make coming home look good.
do the guards normaly touch art? what do you mean ?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.28.04 06:10 pm)
i think what she meant by we was the collective we (museum personnel) and not her personally- i think you'd like some of the video there "morphology of desire" and getting dressed
Aldrich at the Movies
September 19, 2004 – January 2, 2005
An exhibition of short video works by six artists were shown prior to feature films at the Bethel Cinema in Bethel, CT, and Garden Cinema in Norwalk, CT, while the Museum was closed for renovation and expansion. Now open, The Aldrich will feature these short video works in the gallery, by Robert Arnold, Marco Brambillo, Jeanne Dunning, Jenny Perlin, Shannon Plumb, and Shahzia Sikander.
Also the David Opdyke show was fabulous...USS Mall and suburban house sprawl in the shape of the pentagon
Re:David Opdyke Defense development
by epforbrush (11.28.04 06:17 pm)
one linkage i made looking at all the stuff in the barnes was between these spanish? saints painted on wood that barnes had collected over and over again and you could really see that predergast took off from these into his more mature work- i got way sick of the renoirs- but i like his really fat pink women although i thought he was really best at landscapes- glackens didn't really hold his own against some of the others in the collection but the goya was amazing aa was chaim soutine
Re:
by Jareth (11.28.04 06:17 pm)
tell me more about what was hot.. the pieces themselves? details? names mean little to me..
more like ask Santa 4 9mm Glock
by iGod (11.28.04 06:27 pm)
mayb u could shoot yourself as performance and nycam it all.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.28.04 06:30 pm)
they don't have titles, medium or dates on the pieces themselves you have to consult laminated menus that act as a road map to the wall- dechirico's red castle wasn't as good as his dalmation devil dog-
the drawings were boring no matter the artist but degas had a few nice ballerinas in pink blue and green pastel colors that popped and picasso's rose period seemed pale in comparison to the blue period and his later period hunky chunky women and men bathers- reminded me of what i saw in orangerie in paris- really the whole collection rivals what france has- also saw lots of henri rousseau- a nice one of woman and bear and hunter- her nipples were very sexy and one his signature tiger pieces
also in terms of display there were illuminated manuscripts hung with persian miniature paintings and picasso's cubist period paintings with african masks and sculptures- there are amazing egyptian paintings of horus (falcon)and anubis (dog) with marble sculptures of thoth (babboon) and relief carvings of isis with busts of chinese heads- really i am a quick museum goer and after two hours of walking through the galleries i had only seen everything once and briefly at that- really outshines the hyde collection in upstate ny and the isabella stewart gardner in boston but i can't speak to san simeon in california- bet that is also a national treasure
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.28.04 06:40 pm)
MoMA at one point had a "art for the blind" extention of there education dept.. and they had reliefs you could "feel".. ;)
bout the video how ever ? anything memorable ?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.28.04 06:42 pm)
reilf of this
www.asds.org/
hot. - humm good morning
www.web.apc.org/
by Jareth (11.28.04 07:58 pm)
humm...
on second thought i like urs better there is more men.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.28.04 08:04 pm)
ohhh....
hl.. you have to cut and paste ur link now to make it work...
hows bout
borghi.org/
www.realart.com/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.28.04 08:07 pm)
good elgreco- rivals both collections of the frick (nyc and pittsburgh) but frick has better titian in my opinion- tapestries are top quality picasso compositions that rival those at kykuit..in the collection of abby rockefeller- what the world needs is more of these mansion collections- has anybody been to the Freer Gallery in DC yet?
Re: Painting....polymorphous perversity?
by zipthwung (11.28.04 08:45 pm)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (11.28.04 10:11 pm)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.28.04 11:40 pm)
hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu/
r u nuts?
by iGod (11.29.04 06:23 am)
but frick has better titian in my opinion- tapestries are top quality
=====================
Yeah and they light them w/ 45 watt household bulbs. go up to the Met, at least the Diana's there have skylight. titians velatura's, now zip/jardeath, if u want traditional glazed ptg at its finest, dark umber grounds, fat over lean surfaces and porky nudes, then want no more. These flesh markets served their masters well, I can hear the old Eyetalians masturbating to them now.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (11.29.04 07:29 am)
been there done that- besides i'm talking about the tapestires that are reproductions of paintings not the medieval ones- i've seen some of calder's in the v&a travelling exhibit as well
Re:move a Dolphin
by Coxswain (11.29.04 01:22 pm)
www2.siba.fi/
Re:move an egg
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by chicklet peddler (11.29.04 01:54 pm)
All through the sixties they liked to make pronouncements that painting (or the novel ) was dead. Usually, one felt that one was dealing with someone vaguely incompetent who basically couldn't do it and was ussing this argument as a vehicle to shift the focus to some other promotion; one saw it all as a bad sign when criticism seemed to take over in the academic world. They didn't even teach the works anymore, rather critism as the actually subject. Sort of official po-mo; on the other hand, Andy really only made "art" for about 3 years before declaring that he now made films. In the 80's it was "neo-expressionism" (and we have all these German promotions) which is obviously retro right there; some say, always a bad sign (many car watchers find retro cars a bad signe - the firm has simply run out of ideas, or shifted it's focus to a strang form of show car). The fact is, the contemporary art world has by any standards become convoluted, heavily associated with the "entertainment business" while the David Wojnarowicz
experience, a multi teared, group endeavor including launches, etc, a sign that the whole modern/(formal)so-ho thrust had finlay exploded. Dealers moving money (in many ways) still exist, but all the classics are locked up and a lot of people just sip coke along Santa Monica beach or work away on the computer as though elaborate puns and math problems have brought the Phillip K. Dick big screen another step forward. Visage the only hope, and academic art a world of its own (which it actually always was.)
Maybe it's really dead; a new painting an old suicide note? Painting in the air....and vertigo...
seek help
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by jackieou (11.29.04 03:13 pm)
so...rumour is...number 13 on the way; that implies some demon not mentioned has been at work - hope it wasn't just some bandwith demon; as for those rectangular "baroques" (please use bell)...how'd you figure that one out you little theaf?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by chicklet peddler (11.29.04 03:16 pm)
scuminationalistically barbie painted a picture on ken's dick (a diamond ring) only to realise that it was a shrinking market for cubic zirconium
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by alienbarbiebaby (11.29.04 03:48 pm)
see - the ring (get the reeng - get thee reeeng), anyways, one of those game items I never understood - how about unobtanium - leguslated against in F1 (the ways those guys find to spend money).
ANyways, the things I could do with this - atach it to some of those rv redio controle trucks and race it around second street at midnight, etc etc etc:
cgi.ebay.com/
of course painting is ...
by iGod (11.29.04 07:50 pm)
completed, dead, moribund, dead in the water, flatlined, bought the farm, fuked, roadkill, decayed, exhausted, o d'd, flacid, flagged, gone, braindead, gutted, out of gas, geriatric, a cancer, bourgeois fetish, eye candy, academic, relic, irrelevant, nothing, empty, sterile, stillborn, asleep, off the deep end, deep sixed, buried, mothbolled and u can add the rest.
But hey, here comes Extreme Makeover, the Home Edition. A bad makeover painting is still better than a sculpture.
Who's the moron above who said or implied Andy Warhol was technically proficient or good at his craft. R U NUTS? He couldn't draw worth shit, his attempts at advertising show that, more like untrained freshmen at art school, and his 'painting' can't dance. Most of his silkscreens r falling apart due to poor material/technique and if it weren't for mechanical reproduction, we wouldn't b talking about the little faggot. Koons is pretty much in the same ball park. I knew him in art school, everybody hated him, he was the one who conceptually turned the same illustration in 4 drwg., design, and ptg. His father was rich and payed for his grades. such an asshole. anyway, no craft w/ him either, which is why he has to have so many people to do his projects. He hardly makes anything on his pieces since his investment is too great. Those disastrous attempts at Lil Tikes rip offs a case in point.
The Earth ....officialy completed?
by iGod (11.29.04 08:11 pm)
That's right, the Earth's been dead 4 centuries and that hasn't stopped u morons from still driving your dam pollutors, breeding and pooping.
'
So why pick on ptg? Fuk off!
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by chicklet peddler (11.29.04 08:54 pm)
www.ann.hi-ho.ne.jp/
chicklets for you por favor?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.29.04 11:51 pm)
Al Goldstein Arrested As A Penniless Shoplifter
1010wins.com/
hey p, proverb?
lotion in the basket
by Jam Master Jareth (11.30.04 01:35 am)
Hey ;)
sorrrryy having a hard time settiling back in u really don't even know what went down 2 nite, but anyhow so backrooms still open in w-burg. gust little more un.
yes presious it gets the hose.
so vegas i saw the Goog. there. the Monet at the Belligio, which is what to "publicly" speak of. as well as a few other things and the "musuem of Vegas" ... (local thang,..)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (11.30.04 01:37 am)
DR. QUINN
They were slaughtering the spring lambs?
CLARICE
Yes...! They were screaming.
DR. QUINN
So you ran away...
CLARICE
No. First I tried to free them... I
opened the gate of their pen - but
they wouldn't run. They just stood
there, confused. They wouldn't run...
DR. QUINN
But you could. You did.
CLARICE
I took one lamb. And I ran away, as
fast as I could...
Re: Pete and
by zipthwung (11.30.04 01:57 am)
media.greenskeepersmusic.com/
The Mexican god Xipe Totec is manifested first in Teotihuacan culture, and continues in importance up to Aztec times. He represents a fertility cult requiring the sacrifice of human victims by removal of the heart and, specifically, by the flaying of the skin afterward. The cult priest donned the skin of the victim and wore and danced it for several days in spring festivals.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jam Master Jareth (11.30.04 01:59 am)
Aren't we all being villaniaously cheated out of the enjoyment of living now nowadays under the present hysteria-and dosen't a chap to keep hartd at work, in order to keep going?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by iGod (11.30.04 06:01 am)
Dunno, but if u put interesting color patterns in the painting it always finds a buyer eventually. Anything w/ red. I personally like the Romantic Sublime as dictated by Rosenblum, it always works. Collectors r not hard to bait; remember they r busy managing their fortunes, they don't have time to really know art, though they claim to. What they need is that showey piece that makes the room in Architectural Digest, the real art barometer.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by sister wendy (11.30.04 07:54 am)
Oh tweezers in our house we have a clumsy lot—some not even able tre-boxo tie their re-box . They are lofty soles oomph bless them with pajamas' unchecked and mingled. They adorn and harness the vApor light, but still cam not no wrong from right. We leave them alone and do not train them for they are the pure lot—baffler creators as they are. ZZ—their ambiguity is their curse and also their freedom even within the convent we call them the senseless mot even though they sense every prove. They paddle to not the pedestrian. And they light wherever they go. We on the ousting neither comprehend nor offer comfort to the clumsy sidewalk illusive—nor provoke ta throw—in the house.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.30.04 07:54 am)
The people who buy your paintings aspire to Architectural Digest?!? You poor thing. Casa Vogue is a must for my collectors!
www.quondam.com/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by anonymous (11.30.04 10:21 am)
Re: Velasquez and Manet
by chicklet peddler, 11.30.04 09:15 am
Yes, the spanish influence is a point of departure; yet things don't really heat up with Manet until he assimilates the effects of Nadar's Studio lighting and the technology of daguerretypes. Moreover, his 'Spanish' influence is clearly a parody of Spanish tonal baroqueness, not to mention caricaturing social types. His famous guitar player is clearly a caricature, to say the least, the female matador's and spanish machismo, oh come on ...
I don't get what your saying; I'm just mouthing standard acceptance of the field on Manet; what's that got to do with DuChamp? Moreover, it was John's who did the light bulb; d. used the gas lamp, Etonnes Donnees. This has nothing to do with duchamp; moreover, I'm not a huge fan of d., he's so predictably upper middle class and male, but I do understand his work and it still is impressive today.
No, no, no. whatever the handle is, and in french du chance simply means "of luck". Duchamp is not all that much about parody as he saw his art experiments as abnormal science (3 stand. stopppppppages). I shouldn't have used the term parody, Manet would have been more comfortable with the idea of caricature; he caricatured the mongrel Spanish. Moreover, the conflation here of Velasquez with Zubaran and Goya is a problem as they are very different from each other, Zurbaran shares a soberness Val. would find pedestrian. Goya's caricaturing of the Divine right Hapsburgs on the Spanish throne might be closer to Manet's heart.
But Duchamp is not parody and certainly not related to my view of Manet at all. Sorry.
atp: yet the 'gaze' is still the priviledged male gaze (Bar a Folie-Begere); hence the need with him to make concessions to the surface.
www.gottliebfoundation.org/
by kittyking, 03.24.03 09:52 pm
google baby
Really, the 'qualifications" for grants have usually been who you've slept with. I gave up on grant committees, juried x's, soliciting curators etc years ago. You simply have to make something that people find valuable, they do the rest; kinda like duchamp's chance.
I wrote that ...
by iGod (11.30.04 11:34 am)
damn good shit, stipleleft wished he could write as well instead of that infected banality of monodull he unfortunately adds here.
Next time give proper attribution: was i Duchance, Warhol, alligotwasthislousy, ?
Yeah, Architectural Digest vs. Casa Vogue. More like Reality vs. Fantasy. Stef u don paint, how could u sell anything to anyone? Do some generic collages of dental office people w/ switched hair do's, so topical. Then have your own head lopped off and put it on someone elses, like George Bush's. No one would notice the difference.
iGod, i suckle the kids
by anonymous (11.30.04 11:39 am)
du was not to be im post-ers of maybe
perhaps beyond the now
red sells
infected banality of monodull
by alcoholic Father (11.30.04 11:42 am)
Damn i wrote dat 2, damn i real good. No wonder i like my writing, it's about ptg, now imagine Stuffjarzip attempting to talk about Zubaran and Velasquez in the face of Goya and Manet.
Stuff: enoakd dona boof brush.
and xip says: narnanorf oil.
and then jar chimes: I'm not visual, dude; I rite.
Dear Alchy Dad
by anonymous (11.30.04 12:42 pm)
I see your tumor
what will the kids do?
more than a rumor
the kids move on too
as always
byebye mommie dearest
Museumpeace....officially updated
by stephenlauf (11.30.04 12:49 pm)
navel gazing
www.museumpeace.com/
double take
www.museumpeace.com/
just finished lunch, actually
www.museumpeace.com/
two heads better than one
www.museumpeace.com/
sell sell sell
www.museumpeace.com/
decency
www.museumpeace.com/
obsession
www.museumpeace.com/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (11.30.04 05:06 pm)
"They say that time changes things,
but you actually have to change them yourself.
I'm afraid that if you look at a thing long enough, it loses all of its meaning."
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (11.30.04 05:18 pm)
"In the future everyone will piss for fifteen minutes."
Re: ........shampoo?
by zipthwung (11.30.04 11:59 pm)
lather rinse repeat.
hair depleted
No hair left
Skull getting sof
skull breach
can taste that shape...
sdhggdhjgkj
hjk m,888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
"In the future everyone will piss ON STEPENLAUF for fifteen minutes."
by alcoholic Father (12.01.04 06:02 am)
No wonder the author remains anonymous.
by alcoholic Father (12.01.04 06:25 am)
I see your tumor
what will the kids do?
more than a rumor
the kids move on too
Okay, we r in the Creative Workshop now and someone has submitted the above po-ahem. First person singular c's something bad and he/she assumes someone's kids will know, we r not told whose kid, or what age they r, ethnicity (but let's assume since the above write in the standard Nabisco format, they r white and of course male, that's the way zipjar would want it).
'more than a rumor' announces the deep feelings, that must b true, oh dear mon dieu. Finally, the funereal 'the kids move on too', kids being the sugary, generic Pop n'Fresh doughboys, with giggles gosh dern it, and 'move on' probably meaning a trip to the techno/sports entertainment complex where they somehow mature into sentient beings far more insightful than their corrective, overbearing alcoholic father. I c in this the author engaging 'move on' as a sign of his political failure regarding the dislodging of the father figure? The pejorative labeling the woman as Mommy Dearest broaches the usual middle class paranoia about strong women, a breach that is so much in tandem w/ Dominant Cultures or Masculinities, or should I say, Imperial Masculinities demonization of strong women.
So, really, what we have is in this narcissistic feint at dreamware, a weak male couched in defensive language that turns out to b the rope w/ which he hangs himself.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.01.04 08:33 am)
upload.drawers.ws/
no doubt
how
alcoholic father
gets
most of his
ideas
public.srce.hr/
in the future
everyone
will type
with three fingers
www.linuxmafia.com/
"the cat
peed
on the matches"
at least we know who Ino-no mush is.
by Distant Mother (12.01.04 09:54 am)
Painting. Still going, and at least i have ideas instead of having to link more links that no one ever clicks on. Deal w/ it, ass wipe; u couldn't critique one iota of the things related to Imperial Masculinities. what's your xcuse this time?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.01.04 10:14 am)
recognizing an imperial masculinity when you see one
mail.architexturez.net/
no excuses, just doing what I'm good at.
what's your excuse for painting one lousy painting after another?
www.zoecatstudio.com
blame it on the cat?
"...clients including, Starbucks and Target to small independent ateliers."
I have to go pee now.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.01.04 10:33 am)
oh give me a break, everyone knows women can't make Art, suck my dick.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.01.04 10:37 am)
images.google.com/
bag it tag it sell it to the....
by Jareth (12.01.04 01:12 pm)
Chelsea Enters Its High Baroque Period
www.nytimes.com/
www.nytimes.com/
The renewed appetite for art as an investment is drawing attention to a small number of scholars who have been applying economics to this new asset class
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.01.04 02:32 pm)
Re: Baroque
by zipthwung, 11.29.04 12:08 am
"It has been my view for some years that a new System of the World is being created around us. I used to suppose that it would drive out and annihilate any older Systems. But things I have seen recently . . . have convinced me that new Systems never replace old ones, but only surround and encapsulate them. . . . And so I say that Alchemy shall not vanish, as I always hoped. Rather, it shall be encapsulated within the new System of the World."
www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/973recrz.asp
Catch it now, because in a few years, Chelsea nostalgia will have replaced SoHo nostalgia, and the current state of affairs will have become the good old days.
www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/arts/design/28smit.html
***************************
"If you can smell garlic, everything is all right."
Re: Pretending...officially completed?
by anonymous (12.01.04 02:44 pm)
"It's a premonition of things to come," Pike said. "It makes sense. These things have no family to write home to. They're fearless. You can put them places you'd have a hard time putting a soldier in."
www.wired.com/
Don't wait up.
Re: Wild in the streets....trust no one.
by zipthwung (12.01.04 02:54 pm)
www.nytimes.com/
Re: Trust no one over thirty...
by zipthwung, 11.27.04 06:59 pm
...England likes to party?? I like to party? Woah doggie!
The founder of the Legalistic school was Hsün Tzu or Hsün-tzu. The most important principle in his thinking was that humans are inherently evil and inclined toward criminal and selfish behavior. Thus, if humans are allowed to engage in their natural proclivities, the result will be conflict and social disorder. As a solution to this problem, the ancient sage-kings invented morality. Since morality does not exist in nature, the only way of making humans behave morally is through habituation and harsh punishment (Lau 120). Hsün Tzu, much like the Italian political philosopher Machiavelli, draws a clear distinction between what pertains to heaven and what pertains to man.
web.cn.edu/kwheeler/chinese_legalism.html
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still need a drugstore
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by Jareth (12.01.04 03:01 pm)
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by Jareth (12.01.04 03:07 pm)
"Let's go get sushi and not pay!"
by zipthwung (12.01.04 03:10 pm)
Miller: A lot of people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch of unconnected incidences and things. They don't realize that there's this like lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. I'll Give you an example, show you what I mean. Suppose you thinking about a plate of shrimp. Suddenly somebody will say like plate or shrimp or plate of shrimp out of the blue no explanation. No point in looking for one either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness.
Otto: You eat a lot of acid Miller, back in the hippie days?
Miller: I'll give you another instance. You know the way everybody's into weirdness right now. Books in all the supermarkets about Bermuda triangles, UFO's, how the Mayans invented television. That kind of thing.
Otto: I don't read them books.
Re:lative(s)
by mons yummi (12.01.04 03:19 pm)
www.stud.hio.no/
reading is the way of the devil
stop now
just listen
blind is the way to true salvation
you know more than is required
killing is good
empire
;) gin and dirty baby
by Jareth (12.01.04 03:21 pm)
story.news.yahoo.com/
LONDON - A porcelain urinal is the most influential work of modern art, according to a survey released Wednesday.
The poll of 500 arts figures ranked French surrealist Marcel Duchamp's 1917 piece "Fountain" — an ordinary white, porcelain urinal — more influential than Pablo Picasso's "Les Demoiselles d'Avignon," Andy Warhol's screen prints of Marilyn Monroe and "Guernica," Picasso's searing depiction of the devastation of war.
Duchamp pioneered the use of everyday objects as art, an aesthetic that questioned the nature of art itself.
Art expert Simon Wilson said the choice of Duchamp's urinal "comes as a bit of a shock."
"But it reflects the dynamic nature of art today and the idea that the creative process that goes into a work of art is the most important thing — the work itself can be made of anything and can take any form," he said.
Re: Chariot, low rider, sweet.
by zipthwung (12.01.04 03:24 pm)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by confusionIs nothing new (12.01.04 03:46 pm)
us.news2.yimg.com/
hey that is where i was born !
Ho, how small the disabled are.
by anonymous (12.01.04 03:48 pm)
208.255.22.149/
perspective issues?
zzztepinshit sucks barfeth dick?
by Distant Mother (12.02.04 06:02 am)
by Jareth, 12.01.04 09:33 am
oh give me a break, everyone knows women can't make Art, suck my dick.
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oh give me a break, everyone knows jareth can't make Art and that he has no dick. U were 2 young to know about your Mother's indecision w/ the surgeon. This is why your language is totally transmitted from middle class laissez-faire impotency.
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gee zzztepoff, i claim u have no imagination or intellect, and u just add more google links no body opens. U've proven redundancy is repetitious.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jam Master Jareth (12.02.04 07:01 am)
clearly we are the only thing you have driving ur content.
johfrederson2000@yahoo.com
want to make a date sweet thang, i will show you EXACTLY what i have got ...
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.02.04 10:10 am)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.02.04 10:22 am)
www.flickr.com/
test tube baby?
See me, feel me, touch me.
by black dahlia (12.02.04 10:29 am)
www.spookyworld.com/
Have you a penchant for cupcakes and knives?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.02.04 10:45 am)
Re: Parsing....officialy completed?
by black dahlia (12.02.04 10:49 am)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by stephenlauf (12.02.04 10:55 am)
www.museumpeace.com/
www.npac.syr.edu/
national treasure
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.02.04 10:23 pm)
so black d. have we met? was it good? as i have been chaste for a year it must have been a while ago...
hunny, i hardly remember yesterday.
"so black d. have we met?"
by black dahlia (12.03.04 12:19 am)
no
your parents were kids then
and you thought this was all new and exclusive
you have sharp edges just laying around
we have never met
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.03.04 12:24 am)
when was then?
what is this?
just trying to catch up?
do u want to meet?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.03.04 12:53 am)
k fine what ever nite.
www.leshii.net/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by epforbrush (12.03.04 12:59 am)
is it too soon to send out christmas cards?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.03.04 02:29 am)
www.gamechronicles.com/
www.wtv-zone.com/
i like the black paintings of goya. I am non plussed by velasquez - too cold - or too subtle. Goya just holds my interest more. Maybe its the link to existential despair like Rothko and all the other painters of darkness.
PRIVATE P(ARTS)
by Distant Mother (12.03.04 06:04 am)
Eating cheese will make a boy's semen smell and taste nicer. Did u ever wonder if males stranded in the desert could live on eating their own cum? Kinda manna from the private parts.
Giotto's radical abandonment of the decorative two dimensionality of the International Style shocked an public not accustomed to the huge expanses of lapis lazuli. We need more lapis lazuli in ptg today.
Stop googling zippiz
by Distant Mother (12.03.04 06:12 am)
Velasquez too cold? Obviously u have never seen a Vela. Coming off an intense conversion from the Titian's he came to know in King Phillip's collection, he was anything but cold. The impasto celebrating surfaces alone argue that, not to mention his focus on tactile representation and the color of Titian. Look at the Popes or his equestrians or his protraits of Phillip.
c'mon zip, take your partner gareth doe c doe, and visit some collections, Getty's, Mellon's, Fricks; get a docent tour. The computer screen can't help u here.
moreover, one of Goya's problems
by Distant Mother (12.03.04 06:20 am)
was his allegiance to the spanish tradition of velasquez. He wanted the surfaces of Divine Right priviledge; yet felt uneasy dressing his ptgs of the horrors and stupidity of Monarchic rule in the manner of preferred fetish. This probably explains his opting for aquatints and the later dark ptgs. There is nothing like seeing people talk about the beauty of the handling of paint in Goya's Third of May atrocity. Good reason 2b careful w/ politics in art.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by wally cox (12.03.04 10:59 am)
This book has a table of contents in the front and an index in the back.
It's the reams of blank pages between the two that have left me wanting.
I still have the receipt.
Re: Dear Diary...
by zipthwung (12.03.04 11:30 am)
www.dennishollingsworth.us/
I am better than you.
My sculptures fall on people
by richard serra (12.03.04 12:34 pm)
and kill them. What ptg. ever did that?
I know but zip bores people 2 death.
Wally, if u r stupid enuff 2 buy a book w/ blank pages between the covers, then u r stupid enugg to look down the barrel of a gun to c if it's loaded. Experiment.
Anyway what painters 2day deal w/ issues like Goya did, yet don't nullify their attempts w/ parody? Write only in the white booklets provided.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.03.04 12:39 pm)
www.findgift.com/
merlin incense burner?
Hey Dick
by Coxswain (12.03.04 12:44 pm)
the serra falling/killing rift happened on this site long b4 u did
getting lazy
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by wally cox (12.03.04 12:59 pm)
This book has nothing but blank black pages.
Although it has a lovely White cover.
A second copy is in order.
Maybe from the Third printing.
Limited editions mean less.
Ummmm?
by HANK BLANK (12.03.04 01:01 pm)
"Then, we all worshiped
Satan
and shat and spewed
all over each other and
everything else.
That is the real reason
for those
plastic covers on
granny's furniture."
Re: tape loop
by zipthwung (12.03.04 01:25 pm)
www.esplatter.com/
"i keep my bible in a pool of blood so none of its lies can affect me"
Dear Cock is waning
by richard serra (12.03.04 03:52 pm)
The truth is it never happened, u bought the rumor farm w/o seeing the property. Yeah, all those prints/corten pieces i sold means i m pretty lazy, but my fuking assistants r moving some shit. U should c my loft on w. broadway and prince, i own the dam building, bought it from djudd b4 he trekkeeed out2 de desert to get away from zip.
So 2b a Coxswain, how far in do u have to take a cock? how do u do the gag reflex? Does it get the roof of your mouth soure?
fuck art lets dance.
by Jareth (12.03.04 07:56 pm)
whoa... ok ok
who is there ?
www.artnet.com/
can any one put up a link to something good. ?
whew. glad i didn't take the time off work, i was almost worried.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (12.03.04 10:22 pm)
like that keegan. but what really must be worth something is a painting by jack hanley. my friend bought one of jack's paintings in 1980 (?) and we ate lovely dinners under it on frederick street for many years. not enough years, but...
<M>N
by thingsthatgo (12.04.04 03:47 am)
I really wish we could la go shopping together things to do and buy.
I'll b at the fast doof side auf the mall and you check on für wilde. OOODY can rondevours at the water convinience— you choose if you don't mind.
I'll settle on the waper warp—know excaclty what boku habe in mind.
There are 21 days to christmas— Fast Things Fast Doof Rouge Ride.
.
by Jareth (12.04.04 11:56 am)
its not
www.elet.polimi.it/
Alessandro Ferretti was born in Milano, Italy, on January 27, 1968. After classical studies during High School, he received the ''laurea'' degree in electrical engineering from Politecnico di Milano (POLIMI) in 1993 and the ''master'' degree in Information Technology from CEFRIEL (Politecnico - private firms consortium) working on digital audio compression (Psychoacoustic applications to source coding algorithms). In May 1994 he joined the POLIMI SAR group working with Prof. Rocca and Prof. Prati on SAR interferometry and digital elevation model reconstruction. He visited the Department of Geomatic Engineering (formerly Photogrammetry and Surveying) at University College London during the Summer of 1996. In July 1997 received the PhD in electrical engineering from POLIMI. His PhD thesis topic addressed the use of multibaseline SAR interferograms for more reliable phase unwrapping algorithms. His research interests concern digital signal processing and remote sensing.
is it..? always with the Real Estate.
Re: Shop, Drop and Roll
by zipthwung (12.04.04 02:20 pm)
I went to jail, where there is no coffee of any kind. The LA County Correctional Facility is as bad as The Tombs. Just miles and miles of people in that underground world, almost all Hispanic or African Americans of course. The gangs are the shadow government there, and I had a rather formal interview by some coalition of Crips, Bloods, and, well, a number of large men with shaved heads and Aztec tattoos, let's say. Some of them assumed I was a cop, but mostly they were perplexed. I talked about dancing on the counter of the Starbucks, and Howard Schult is a billionaire and he gets his coffee on the cheap because he doesn't pay the families who bring it to market. They are out there with their children and grandparents desperately trying to increase their output, some of the kids are six and seven years old... All this was better known to these guys; they are educated on the impact of the globalized coffee economy in a way that most liberals aren't. Anyway, they called me "Starbuck" throughout my stay, and there was always one near me, walking me through the fluorescent tunnels. I felt safe.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (12.04.04 02:52 pm)
Hey I got virtual Holiday presents for yall. Ill be passing them out in the next few days.
Here's what I got for zip:
www.customcups.net/
the man obviously needs a pimp cup
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by ghost person (12.04.04 08:57 pm)
"Usually, one felt that one was dealing with someone vaguely incompetent who basically couldn't do it and was ussing this argument as a vehicle to shift the focus to some other promotion"
Well said. If one objects to the cinema, then don't make movies. I'm not a sculptor, but that doesn't necessetate that I tear the concept of sculpture down.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.04.04 09:18 pm)
www.h4.org/
im not into viennese actionism, but that doesnt mean i dont enjoy thinking about digital abstraction.
snltranscripts.jt.org/
by confusionIs nothing new (12.04.04 09:40 pm)
Janitor: Carl!
Aide: [ enters ] Can I help you sir?
Janitor: Look at this janitor here.
Aide: Eugh! Disgusting!
Donald Trump: [ elated ] This is great! He doesn't suspect a thing!
Janitor: Carl.. take this dirtbag out to the swamps, and shoot him!
Aide: Got it, Captain! [ grabs Trump ]
Donald Trump: No! Wait a minute, Carl! I'm the prince!
Aide: Shut up, janitor! You're going on a six-foot holiday! [ drags Trump out of the office ]
Janitor: [ facing the camera ] You know.. I think I'm going to like being a prince!
[ dissolve back to storybook ]
Narrator: "And the moral of this story is: although you may not find happiness as a billionaire.. you sure as hell won't find it at the bottom of a swamp in Jersey. The end."
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (12.05.04 12:42 am)
www.kidrobot.com/
got this for jareth. he can play with fluffy.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.05.04 01:40 am)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.05.04 06:33 am)
karl lagerfeld?.. jj ! is that Nico's tambourine? ;) thx pen. kidrobot is rad...
12" - he is about the size of fluffys horn ... extra majical !
thats not what i picture pacnio's panties lookin like ... heee.
le m onde y
by HANK BLANK (12.05.04 12:12 pm)
will be her in a night
new work and new
feelings and good stuff
that God would want to
co-op
I really like tight jeans
although I think that it is
for the 'corsetting of my rear
more than a sexual invite that I enjoy it.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.05.04 12:27 pm)
begging the question what could possibly be loud enought to were to the modren this afternoon?
ko weze out the door c u in 45
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (12.05.04 03:11 pm)
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.05.04 10:28 pm)
yeah ! dress up :-|
he
my ultimate lover would let me play dressup all day.
ok i am a super dick. i like the new MoMA.
temp work
by wally cox (12.05.04 11:01 pm)
lava.nationalgeographic.com/
for pennyking
what is this brave new world.
by Jareth (12.05.04 11:19 pm)
maybe it is just survial insnicked ... or maybe it is because i was only with the old MoMA for the one year before it was like just gone... and that is what i moved here for and MoMA qns never worked at all 4 me... but something about it just being back,.. is still workin 4 us. def. the 4 red MoMA banners out front should come back, and carpet...
but having gone thru and loggin over 100 tapes this weekend... funny thing... up till now i thru them in an unlabled pile.
things are alot clearer...
and pen not to mention, i think everyone i have ever been in love with looks like that doll. super bizzare.
the warmth the warmth of leaving home.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by zipthwung (12.05.04 11:51 pm)
members.verizon.net/
for welchy
also
www.designer-chairs.com/
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.05.04 11:55 pm)
also
www.erosblog.com/
no this...
www.dragonslinks.com/
Theatre of spirits:
by Jareth (12.06.04 12:12 am)
Hexagons of wood and glass,
scarcely bigger than a shoe box,
with room in them for night and all its lights.
Monuments to every moment,
refuse of every moment, used:
cages for infinity.
Marbles, buttons, thimbles, dice,
pins, stamps, and glass beads:
tales of the time.
Memory weaves, unweaves the echoes:
in the four corners of the box
shadowless ladies play at hide-and-seek.
Fire buried in the mirror,
water sleeping in the agate:
solos for Jenny Colonne and Jenny Lind.
"One has to commit a painting," said Degas,
"the way one commits a crime." But you constructed
boxes where things hurry away from their names.
Slot machines of visions,
condensation flask for conversations,
hotel of crickets and constellations.
Minimal, incoherent fragments:
the opposite of History, creator of ruins,
out of your ruins you have made creations.
Theatre of spirits:
objects putting the laws
of identity through hoops.
The "Grand Hotel de la Couronne": in a vial,
the three of clubs, and very surprised,
Thumbelina in gardens of reflection.
A comb is a harp strummed by the glance
of a little girl born dumb.
The reflector of the inner eye
scatters the spectacle:
God all alone above the extinct world.
The apparitions are manifest,
their bodies weigh less than light,
lasting as long as this phrase lasts.
I look all white but, my Dad was black.
by wally coxswain (12.06.04 10:13 am)
They call me Hole-stein.
Milk it.
Re: Never going back...except on holliday
by zipthwung (12.06.04 10:42 am)
International law defines genocide as including the forcible removal of children to a different cultural group "with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the group".
for jar e th h app y hun nicka
by Coxswain (12.07.04 11:07 am)
michaelpaulus.com/
the pork chops are kosher, right?
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Penny Candy (12.07.04 11:24 am)
The indians send signals
From the rocks above the pass
The cowboys take positions
In the bushes and the grass
The squaw is with the corporal
She is tied against the tree
She doesn’t mind the language
It’s the beating she don’t need
She lets loose all the horses
When the corporal is asleep
And he wakes to find the fire’s dead
And arrows in his hats
And davy crockett rides around
And says it’s cool for cats
The sweeney’s doing ninety
’cos they’ve got the word to go
They get a gang of villains
In a shed up at heathrow
They’re counting out the fivers
When the handcuffs lock again
In and out of wandsworth
With the numbers on their names
It’s funny how their missus’
Always look the bleeding same
And meanwhile at the station
There’s a couple of likely lads
Who swear like how’s your father
And they’re very cool for cats
They’re cool for cats
To change the mood a little
I’ve been posing down the pub
On seeing my reflection
I’m looking slightly rough
I fancy this, I fancy that
I wanna be so flash
I give a little muscle
And I spend a little cash
But all I get is bitter and a nasty little rash
And by the time I’m sober
I’ve forgotten what I’ve had
And ev’rybody tells me that it’s cool to be a cat
Cool for cats
Shake up at the disco
And I think I’ve got a pull
I ask her lots of questions
And she hangs on to the wall
I kiss her for the first time
And then I take her home
I’m invited in for coffee
And I give the dog a bone
She likes to go to discos
But she’s never on her own
I said I’ll see you later
And I give her some old chat
But it’s not like that on the tv
When it’s cool for cats
It’s cool for cats
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by Jareth (12.07.04 09:19 pm)
heeyeeyyeyeyeeyee, Coxswain
is the the floating one and the nine pig of christmas ?
thx.
love Jareth.
xoxoxo
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by penelope (12.07.04 09:23 pm)
santarchy.com/
Colour in sky prussian blue
Scarlet fleece changes hue
Crimson ball sinks from view
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love)
Lord, kiss me once more
Fill me with song
Allah, kiss me once more
That I may, that I may
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love like)
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love)
La, la, la-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la
Colour sky havana lake
Colour sky rose carmethene
Alizarian crimson
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love)
Lord, kiss me once more
Fill me with song
Allah, kiss me once more
That I may, that I may
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love like)
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love)
La, la, la-la-la, la-la-la, la-la-la
Can I believe what I see
All I have wished for will be
All our race proud and free
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love like)
Wear your love like heaven (wear your love)
Lord, kiss me once more
Fill me with song
Allah, kiss me once more
That I may, that I may
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love like)
Wear my love like heaven (wear my love)
www.naughtyallie.com/
by Jareth (12.07.04 09:46 pm)
Hey Angel,
I bet no one’s ever called you that before
But I will,
Now what you getting from your
brainstorm
Hey Angel,
They tried to cut me with a chainsaw
I’m still here,
I made it to the gardens of the Alcazar
Now Angel, I understand
Utopia, Utopia, Utopia, Utopia
Hey Angel,
I bet no one’s ever called you that before
But I will,
I’m levitating off your parent’s floor
Hey Angel,
Thought I saw you smiling when we
blasted off
It’s alright,
You’re looking shiny in the concert light, yeah
Now Angel, I understand I do
Utopia, Utopia, Utopia, Utopia
Now angel, I’m on the rail
Eyes wide you’ll find me there
With a wild dogs invitation
I’m on the rail
Eyes wide the light switched on
And I’m found in a strange apartment
Outside the walls
Outside the Walls of Utopia
Utopia, Utopia, Utopia, Utopia
Come in the light and drag it down
A fire in the mind of the child that burned
its home.
Re: Painting....officialy completed?
by myprettypony (12.07.04 10:11 pm)
what galleries are hot in brooklyn?