PRINT January 1973

Stan and Jane Brakhage, Talking

Tape One

Frampton: Last night you said you would like to make something beautiful . . . and get away with it.

Brakhage: What does one mean by ‘get away with it’?

Frampton: Things that are beautiful are seductive, are they not?

Brakhage: Ah, yes, you’ve worried me for some time by saying that The Riddle of Lumen was the least seductive film I’d ever made . . . until I realized that you meant I’d gotten away with it. Seduction is what the people who steal beauty use it for. What I mean in getting away with it is that I want to be able to get all the excitement, the absolute ecstasy at times . . . and I feel confronted by anything that I’ve photographed or even been moved to begin to think of photographing . . . get all that excitement and intensity all the way over into whatever I make. That’s what I mean by getting away with it.

Maybe that’s too simple. Let’s think of it a minute in

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