Wolfgang Tillmans and Isa Genzken, Berlin, 2005.

Isa Genzken: I can give you a little tour of my studio. This is a piece for which I finally found a title today. It’s called Kinder filmen [Children Who Film]. I find it’s a beautiful title.

Wolfgang Tillmans: That’s what it looks like, children filming.

IG: [Laughs.] This one of the dolls is new, too.

WT: Is that one a dog?

IG: No, it’s actually a little bear. But the ears are no longer there, and that’s why one doesn’t quite know what it is. The children have wreaked some havoc—they’re romping. [Laughter.]

WT: You suggest that they’re just playing, but do you also see that they’re somehow a bit shocking? They look a little dead.

IG: You think dead, already? No. I mean, if one can hold oneself in that position, then one isn’t dead. When one is dead, one is somewhere. . . . I see my work at the moment—as opposed to in the past—as having something to do with the innermost more than

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